From: "Brian Dowling" (hellion@easy44net.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:48:30 +0100
Subject: Space1999: Space Warp

There is one scene which is a permanent memory for me now...

Maya in Medical Center, wearing silk pyjamas, hair loose and looking
*damn* foxy, begging to be tied down... "PLEASE use restraints!".

The possibilities are very interesting....  and I'm off for a cold shower.



From: "Simon Morris" (simes01@global44net.co.uk)
Subject: Re: Space1999: Space Warp
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 23:43:43 +0100

Tsk Tsk!!  Brian- you're a sick man. But I've already *had* a cold
shower.....:-)

Simon



From: "Brian Dowling" (hellion@easy44net.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:46:57 +0100
Subject: Re: Space1999: Space Warp

I think we may be cut from similar cloth, you know.  Let's face it, we grew
up watching some of the most wonderful females on tv - Lynda Carter,
Catherine Schell, Joanna Lumley, Katy Manning and the magnificent Diana
Rigg.  Is it any wonder so many people our age crave those glory years
of British television?

There's nothing sick about that.  The restraints might be a different matter
though... :-)



From: "Simon Morris" (simes01@global44net.co.uk)
Subject: Re: Space1999: Space Warp
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 16:01:02 +0100

Cor, you're not kidding Brian!

Actually,I was never a huge fan of Diana Rigg...I was more of a Linda Thorson
fan myself. And what about Wanda Ventham as Col Lake in UFO? She looked really
cool and svelte in 1970(a forerunner to the "AlphaBabes" I s'pose...). But to
see her now you wouldn't think she was the same person:somewhat large(to put it
politely!). Sad how we change and get older and fatter!

And though I was never a fan of Buck Rogers In The 21st Century(a touch later
in time of course), I was a *devoted* fan of Erin Gray in those ultra tight
lurex catsuits that she used to wear on that series. I don't think Helena
Russell could've competed with her.....

I think I'd better lower the shower temperature again :-)

Simon



From: "Brian Dowling" (hellion@easy44net.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:42:13 +0100
Subject: Re: Space1999: Space Warp

Watching the remastered Avengers has reminded me what, or rather who
started it all off for me. Diana Rigg as Emma Peel made such an
impression on the younger me, and that's why there's a huge poster of
her above my bed.

Linda Thorson was another stunner and I was disappointed that only one
season of The Avengers with her alongside Patrick Macnee was made. The
lasses in UFO generally were pretty hot stuff, especially Gabrielle Drake
and Wanda Ventham.  How Gabrielle ended up in Crossroads (an
incredibly awful soap opera based at a fictitious hotel in the Birmingham
area) I will never know - that was *truly* dire

> And though I was never a fan of Buck Rogers In The 21st Century(a touch
> later in time of course), I was a *devoted* fan of Erin Gray in those
> ultra tight lurex catsuits that she used to wear on that series. I don't
> think Helena Russell could've competed with her.....

Helen isn't the kind of woman one associates with catsuits, whether they
be lurex, latex or otherwise.  Mentioning Erin Gray, she is scheduled to be
at the Birmingham NEC Memorabilia show in November, alongside Robert
Vaughn.  Methinks catsuits might not be the order of the day there.  One
never knows though...

Where are the kick-ass angels today to compare with the ones we grew
up with?



Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 14:08:58 -0500
From: Jim Small (Eagle1@mts4tag.net)
Subject: Space1999: Re: O.T. ... TV babes.

Killed off by the ultra-left feminist (bowel) movement I suspect.



Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:46:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ellen C. Lindow" (sfdxb@scfn.thpl.lib4tag.fl.us)
Subject: Space1999: O.T.Today's TV Babes

How about Buffy?  and Xena?  Both do an excellent job of kicking ass, and
manage to be both babes and competent, independant females as well.



From: "Ariana" (ariana@ndirect4tag.co.uk)
Subject: Re: Space1999: O.T.Today's TV Babes
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:13:54 +0100

Simon wrote:
>
> And though I was never a fan of Buck Rogers In The 21st Century(a touch
> later in time of course), I was a *devoted* fan of Erin Gray in those
> ultra tight lurex catsuits that she used to wear on that series. I don't
> think Helena Russell could've competed with her.....

Wasn't that "Buck Rogers in the 25th Century?" (or am I totally confused?
Avoided the hideous thing like the plague). Go on, is anyone going to
admit to a crush on Cassiopeia in Battlestar Galactica? <g>

I agree Helena Russell isn't at all in the same category -- still, she
did look rather cute in that extra short medical gown or whatever she was
wearing in "Guardian of Piri" (I'm sure that and Catherine Schell's
costume contributed to that episode's popularity ;). I hope I have legs
that good when I'm forty... come to think of it, I could probably do with
legs like that *now*. <g>

Also on the subject of 70s babes, I agree about Linda Carter. I've
probably watched every episode of Wonder Woman they had on French TV
(says a lot about my tastes, no doubt -- probably explains why I like Y2
so much :P). I thought she was absolutely lovely, with the sweetest smile
and a great figure to fit in that suit. And that was another woman who,
like Maya, could save the day with her superpowers each week.

As to modern babes in scifi/fantasy, Ellen is right to point out that
Xena is a kick-ass "babe", though I don't find her particularly pretty
myself. I tend not to like women with muscles.

Of course, you probably guessed I'd mention DS9. Kira gets my vote for a
modern babe -- for some reason, I just love that tight red uniform (my
father and my boyfriend agree, so I'd say she's worth checking out for
you fellows out there ;). And again, she has a sweet smile; a friend of
mine met Nana Visitor a couple of years ago and his (besotted :) comment
was "she really does smile like that".

Terry Farrell (Jadzia Dax) on DS9 is very pretty to look at as well, and
if you like the "garçonne" type, keep an eye out for Nicole de Boer (Ezri
Dax) who will be appearing on DS9 this season. I suppose Seven of Nine on
Voyager would qualify as a babe, too, though Jeri Ryan's "Borg" implants
are a bit much. I prefer Kes any day.

And there *are* those who rather fancy Gillian Anderson... :)

Now, what worries me is the distinct lack of any non-white females in
that list. I can think of a few handsome non-white men in scifi shows
(Bashir and Jake on DS9, or the doctor on B5 -- can't remember his name,
still waiting for someone to show B5 from the start so I can catch up).
But I'm drawing a near-complete blank on regular Black or Asian babes in
recent shows. The only one who comes to mind is Jaye Griffiths (Ros) in
the UK series "Bugs", but aside from her, there was Uhura in 1960s and
then, um, nothing. Someone please tell me it's just my faulty memory! :)

Emma



From: "Mark Meskin" (plastic.gravity@new44rock.com)
Subject: Re: Space1999: O.T.Today's TV Babes
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:32:56 -0500

> Avoided the hideous thing like the plague). Go on, is anyone going to
> admit to a crush on Cassiopeia in Battlestar Galactica? <g>

Now she was a babe!

> As to modern babes in scifi/fantasy, Ellen is right to point out that
> Xena is a kick-ass "babe", though I don't find her particularly pretty
> myself. I tend not to like women with muscles.

I definitely wouldn't call Xena a "babe"....she's too butch...and then
theres that funky relationship with her "sidekick"....

> Of course, you probably guessed I'd mention DS9. Kira gets my vote for a
> modern babe -- for some reason, 

Dax (was) is hot.  The new Dax is a real cutie too!

> Terry Farrell (Jadzia Dax) on DS9 is very pretty to look at as well, and
> if you like the "garçonne" type, keep an eye out for Nicole de Boer (Ezri
> Dax) who will be appearing on DS9 this season. I suppose Seven of Nine on
> Voyager would qualify as a babe, too, though Jeri Ryan's "Borg" implants
> are a bit much. I prefer Kes any day.

Same here...Kes was very pretty, especially after they ditched that wig and
let her grow her hair out.  Seven of Nine just screams "big boobed blond
bimbo"...sorry folks..I have to laugh every time I hear her mumbling all
that trektechnobabble that comprises way too much of the plot.  I wonder,
does she(the actress) know that this stuff is complete garbage?  Or do the
producers think by having her constantly spewing this pseudo-science we
will think she's a real brainiac?  No thanks :-(

> And there *are* those who rather fancy Gillian Anderson... :)

Ummm. No comment..........:-)  I love the X-files episodes that have
Frohicke in them, just to hear him getting all worked up about her, and the
lines he says..ROTFL!!!!

-Mark



From: potter@global44net.co.uk (Chris Potter)
Subject: Re: Space1999: O.T.Today's TV Babes
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 23:04:36 GMT

Now Terry Farrell - she's a real babe - very difficult to follow,
though Nicole De Boer looks very good - she was my favourite character
in Deepwater Black - the only reason I watched it !

Going back a few years, I thought Anne Francis as Altaira in Forbidden
Planet looked wonderful. One of my favourite films I must admit -
mainly for the ship (C-57D), the ID monster, and her, all of which
made a great impression on me in my younger days.

Chris Potter



From: "Brian Dowling" (hellion@easy44net.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:15:19 +0100
Subject: Re: Space1999: O.T.Today's TV Babes

Greetings from my padded cell!

Emma wrote

> Go on, is anyone going to
> admit to a crush on Cassiopeia in Battlestar Galactica? <g>

Er, no.  Blondes were never really my cup of tea, though Sahala from
Dorzak does have that certain something.

> Also on the subject of 70s babes, I agree about Linda Carter.

I wish one channel here would show Wonder Woman again!!

> As to modern babes in scifi/fantasy, Ellen is right to point out that Xena
> is a kick-ass "babe", though I don't find her particularly pretty myself.
> I tend not to like women with muscles.

Now most of the guys at work prefer Gabrielle.  This does not prove the 
saying that gentelmen prefer blondes, 'cos most of the guys at work are 
definitely NOT gentlemen!  Even with my tastes, Xena isn't one lass I'd 
really go for in the same way as Emma Peel, Diana Prince or...

> And again, she has a sweet smile; a friend of mine
> met Nana Visitor a couple of years ago and his (besotted :) comment was
> "she really does smile like that".

The delectable Kira.  When you know a guy who does a more than
passable Major Kira (and actively goes for causing "incidents" at Star Trek
conventions!) her charms are somewhat lessened.  Only one comment
about Jadzia Dax and Seven - the scan from TV Guide that Robert Ruiz
did a while back is now almost company standard wallpaper at the office!

> And there *are* those who rather fancy Gillian Anderson... :)

WHY?  Could someone please explain this Gillian Anderson thing for me?

> Now, what worries me is the distinct lack of any non-white females in that list.

Hmm... *trawls memory for any female black or Asian characters from sci 
fi or fantasy shows*...  this is proving to be a real toughie... I can come 
up with:

Elizabeth Adare and Hsu-Tai (I think, and it wasn't the actress who played 
Yasko, either!) from The Tomorrow People, the late Persis Khambatta 
from ST:TMP, Dayna Mellanby (Josette Simon) from Blake's 7 - now she 
was a real kick-ass angel - and I'm having trouble recalling any more.  Of 
those four, only the latter two could really be classed as "babes", I 
suppose.

It has only just hit me that I can't recall any female black or Asian 
companions in Doctor Who!  That has stunned me rather.  I could be 
wrong about that, but I would be very surprised if that were the case...

After three weeks of sport and assorted garbage, Space:1999 is back on 
tv tomorrow night!  Set your vcrs to BBC2 at 1820!

Brian Dowling
Online Alphan #144 - Birmingham, England



Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 16:08:28 -0700
From: Edward Seifert (echo1@us44west.net)
Subject: Re: Space1999: O.T.Today's TV Babes

Maybe not Cassiopea,,,but Athena?...Yes sirrrrr! Throw Anne Lockhart in there
for good measure...BEAUTIFUL Smile she has, just like her mother.



Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:00:39 -0500
From: Roger Clow (rclow@nemonet4tag.com)
Subject: Re: Space1999: O.T.Today's TV Babes

When it comes to Non-White Females in Sci-Fi to examples from DS9 come to mine.
That being the acteress that play Cassidy Yates and Keiko O'Brian. (Granted both
were minor characters and Keiko has since left the series)

My Personal Favs are Claudia Christian From B5 and Kristen Johnson from 3rd
Rock.



From: David Acheson (dkach@hot44mail.com)
Subject: Space1999: Of Calendars and Space Babes       [ed: Latter part only]
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 06:41:15 EDT

To those who think that today's politically correct society does not
produce a good number of sci-fi babes, I disagree. In fact, I totally
agree with Emma's comments. Looking at top-heavy Seven of Nine on
VOYAGER makes me realize that Jeri Ryan was hired for two reasons - the
right boob and the left boob. She is not a bad actress but I believe her
acting skills have been secondary to her reason for being there. Like
Emma I prefered Kes myself and was sadden to hear her leave the show.
Yet the show has not improved so maybe she was fortunate to leave when
she did. Then there is XENA which fulfills some men's fantasies about
semi-lesbians running around in costumes beating up men. Not a show to
take seriously at all. Pure entertainment but not really my kind of
show. I missed the fun of Lynda Carter's WONDER WOMAN and the great
acting of Lindsay Wagner in THE BIONIC WOMAN.

I wholeheartedly agree with Emma on the lack of minority females in
leading roles in sci-fi. I was thankful for 1999's Yasko (despite the
horrible acting) and Alibe (my favourite minor character on the series)
as replacements for Sandra. Today, the leading and supporting females
are white and I guess that would be the next barrier to break. Here 1999
almost did that. Fred Freiberger's original idea for Maya was to have
her as a black alien female and rumour has it that he wanted Teresa
Graves to play the part. Apparently many black, and even Asian,
actresses were auditioned but ultimately the role was given to Catherine
Schell. Still, not a bad move as to this day Ms. Schell remains one of
the most beautiful and talented actresses in a sci-fi program and was
the strong point of year two.

David Acheson



Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:39:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Anthony D." (atd64@yahoo4tag.com)
Subject: Re: Space1999: Of Calendars and Space Babes   [ed: Latter part only]

For non-white supporting babes, how about Nichelle Nichols (Lt. Uhura,
Star Trek:TOS). I think she is pretty and would certainly qualify as a
"babe" in some of her episodes.



From: Ariana (ariana@ndirect4tag.co.uk)
Subject: Re: Space1999: Of Calendars and Space Babes   [ed: Latter part only]
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:33:54 +0100

Yes, Nichelle Nichols was the only one who sprang to mind at first. So we
have Uhura on TOS, Dayna on Blake's 7, Keiko and Kasidy on DS9, Ros in
Bugs... not masses, but at least more than sprang to mind originally. Let's
lobby someone to change this trend of only having white babes in scifi! :)



Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 13:29:23 -0500
From: David Welle (dwelle@itol4tag.com)
Subject: Re: Space1999: O.T.Today's TV Babes

>>> And though I was never a fan of Buck Rogers In The 21st Century(a touch
>>> later in time of course), I was a *devoted* fan of Erin Gray in those
>>> ultra tight lurex catsuits that she used to wear on that series. I

Ohhh yes, those alluring catsuits indeed!  A smart, and very sexy woman, as
I remember.

>>>don't think Helena Russell could've competed with her.....

In a catsuit?  Well, I never really thought of comparing the two in that
way.  I'm not really all that fond of Helena in other ways, though, except
for some of her portrayal in Y2, and in terms of sex appeal (which BR
certainly wasn't shy of using), Erin Gray does beat Barbara Bain.

>>Wasn't that "Buck Rogers in the 25th Century?"

Yep, that's the exact title.

>>Avoided the hideous thing like the plague).

It made for some fun, albeit VERY light entertainment, if nothing much else
-- at least the first season (the second tried for a more serious tone that
simply didn't work well, IMO, and didn't have as much "sexiness" to fall
back on).

>>Go on, is anyone going to
>>admit to a crush on Cassiopeia in Battlestar Galactica? <g>
>
>Not Cassiopeia so much as Athena and Sheba - they did it for me :-)

Not so much a crush as with Maya and Wilma, but all three were appealing,
Cassie and Sheba especially.  Jane Seymour as Serina was great too, though
she only lasted the first five hours of the series.

>>Terry Farrell (Jadzia Dax) on DS9 is very pretty to look at as well, and

Yep, and she had a sense of humor, and was intelligent besides.  Yet I
haven't watched DS9 consistently (my local station bounced it around too
many times), so my opinion of her never strengthened as much as it could
have, perhaps.  Kira never did much for me.  I thought Marina Sirtis as
Deanna Troi in STNG was eye catching, though her character wasn't quite on
par in other terms.  Uhura was pretty, but never had a lot of lines (she
should have been given more).

I actually like Jeri Ryan as Seven of Nine -- to a degree.  Like Wilma in
BR, her sex appeal was played to the max, but for a shamelessly
"politically correct" (PC) series, Seven was brought in for shamelessly
"politically incorrect" reasons, making the ploy for babe appeal more than
obvious (and within the context, hypocritical), whereas BR never tried to
be PC to start with, and was at least fun to watch, compared to the almost
unwatchable VOY.  To be fair, though, Seven is attractive looking, and the
producers have done (surprisingly) well with her character, keeping her as
a human very much alienated from humanity, conflicting with the ship's crew
and keeping much of her drone-like personality.  Indeed, the Borg, whether
sexy or pure nastiness, are about the only well-handled aspect of
"Voyager," an otherwise poor series, IMO.  Despite Seven, I'm back to only
sporadically watching VOY.  One problem is as Mark pointed out:  too much
"technobabble," including from Seven.  I'll gladly take a science lesson
from Maya any day!  :-)

A few people have mentioned Lynda Carter, and she was certainly a strong
and sexy female character, one I remember well from younger days.  I also
recall, to a lesser degree, Louise Jameson as Leela and Lalla Ward as
Romana in Doctor Who.  I also remember Nicola Bryant as Peri, though mostly
for her looks, I guess.

I've already pointed out why I find Maya so appealing.  Intelligent,
strong-willed yet warm and friendly, a mix of humorous and serious, and
sexy without being obvious about it (though I certainly can't say I didn't
like that slinky Psychon outfit she wore in "The Metamorph" and "The
Taybor" :-)

I guess Maya and Wilma made a huge impression on me when I was young, for
sometimes different, and sometimes similar reasons.

More recent "equivalents" (for lack of a better word) are Mira Furlan as
Delenn in Babylon 5, and, to a much lesser degree, the already mentioned
Seven of Nine.

Mira Furlan is much of the same mixture of general characteristics as Maya,
as well as some other differences, and is a very impressive character.

Speaking of B5, Claudia Christian as Susan Ivanova and Patricia Tallman as
Lyta also make an impression.

Xena is attractive-looking, but really doesn't interest me otherwise (I
don't watch the series much anyway).  Never seen Buffy.  How about Lisa
Howard on Earth: Final Conflict and Highlander: The Series?

Gillian Anderson as Dana Scully.  Brian was wondering what the appeal was.
I'm not sure I can entirely "explain" it, because she doesn't do quite as
much for me as others, and I haven't been a regular watcher of the series.

The appeal is perhaps largely her intelligence -- scientific knowledge
well-displayed in her character, without the drawback of it being
"technobabble."  She is pretty, even with her looks being somewhat
downplayed instead of pushed as it is with Jeri.  I suppose you could say
that Scully is subtly appealing, but I'm not sure that's not quite it either.

I wonder if there's an "unattainable" thing going on too, because there
seems to be a subtle "tension" in the air with her, even though there is no
hint of a sexual relationship -- or maybe *because* there is no such hint,
allowing viewers to imagine a "what if?" situation regarding Gillian,
without actually seeing one.  Outside of X-Files, there seem to be a lot of
sexy (clothed) pictures of Gillian out there (she's been a popular cover
subject as well), which may fuel the interest too.

Gosh, a lot of appealing women, so especially so. Timewise, I haven't
noticed much discontinuity, for I've seen plenty of smart and sexy women in
SF TV over the years.  To a degree, SF has been more forward looking than
other genres in regard to smart women; except, yes, there don't seem to be
many non-whites, which is a pity indeed, because I've seen plenty of
appealing non-white women in other, non-SF, television (and movies).

My 1.999 cents,

----
David Welle



From: "langley" (langly@home4tag.com)
Subject: Space1999: Re: Scully and Calendar            [ed: Former part only]
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:32:46 -0400

OK, this is slightly off-topic and I probably shouldn't get involved in any "babe"
discussions seeing as how I'm female, but I feel compelled to point out that
there definitely ARE subtle things going on between Scully and Mulder that,
for some reason, a lot of people seem to miss to the extent that there is this
huge split in fandom of those who think Mulder and Scully are practically a
couple and those who think they definitely are not and never will be.  But,
agreed, there was no actual admission of any kind of relationship prior
to the movie and it's STILL rather subtle.

If you don't watch each and every episode, sometimes more than once,
it's rather difficult to pick up on this sublety.  XF is not for
casual viewing.

I definitely think Maya and Scully, both redheads coincidentally (or
perhaps not?  Who knows with Chris Carter...), are two of the strongest
female characters in sci-fi.  And Mulder reminds me of Tony in some ways --
both prone to violent outbreaks at times!  One's a Security Chief and the
other is a Fed, a Goverment policeman as it were.  I wonder what other
similarities we could dig up.

Rene'



Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 02:14:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gordon & Carol Burgess (storm@catch44net.com.au)
Subject: Space1999: More space babes

You forgot two other female babes from sci-fi that also get to kick ass
regularly.

 Captain Shane Vansen - Kristen Cloke ( aka Mrs Glen Morgan )
 Lt. Vanessa Damphousse - Lanei Chapman ( who happens to be another black babe )
 Both members of the Wildcards in Space : Above and Beyond.

Hondo



Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 01:24:01 -0500
From: David Welle (dwelle@itol4tag.com)
Subject: Re: Space1999: Re: Scully and Calendar

>I feel compelled to point out that
>there definitely ARE subtle things
>going on between Scully and Mulder
>that, for some reason, a lot of people
>seem to miss to the extent that there

Well, I've wondered, but as you pointed out later, it is really subtle, and
my problem is that I've seen about a third of the episodes, so maybe I
shouldn't have been speculating in the first place.  I find her intriguing
to watch, but I'm not much into horror (which XF sometimes becomes) or
"conspiracy theory" type stories, and while XF is a still a very good watch
anyway, it's also been shown on the two worst days for me, in regards to
TV:  Friday and Sunday nights.  Maybe once FX (FOX's cable channel) cycles
back to the beginning, I'll get to see the whole series.  I did see some
hints of possible flirting between the two, but couldn't guess, on the
scarce examples, if that was as much as there was, or more.  Sounds like
this is a controversy in XF circles, and I think I'll leave this alone here.

>If you don't watch each and every episode, sometimes more than once,
>it's rather difficult to pick up on this sublety.  XF is not for
>casual viewing.

No, most aren't; but I do know XF is one of the highest on the list of
series that most reward the regular viewer, because it does have a slowly
developing backstory.  I also got that impression after seeing the movie.
I enjoyed the movie, for the most part, and got most of it, I think; but
aspects were slippery, almost certainly because I only have part of the
backstory.

>I definitely think Maya and Scully, both redheads coincidentally
>(or perhaps not?  Who knows with Chris Carter...),

Huh?  Sorry, I don't get the parenthetical.

>are two of the strongest
>female characters in sci-fi.

Absolutely.

I failed to make one summary I had been thinking of, namely that in listing
that perhaps the strongest female characters I've seen in SF TV are Maya,
Delenn, and Gillian, followed somewhat behind them by (in no particular
order):  Susan Ivanova, Lyta Alexander, Wilma Deering, Diana (i.e. "Wonder
Woman"), Jadzia Dax, Seven, Serena, Sheba, Lili Marquette (EFC), Leela.
Most, if not all, were smart.  Most were strong yet friendly.  Some had
sparkling senses of humor.  Some were cool and calm.  Some were "babes,"
some were classy, all were attractive, and not just for their looks.  All
fourteen are memorable, the ones I remember the most from three decades of
SF TV, and I give much of the credit for that to the actresses themselves.

>And Mulder reminds me of Tony in some ways --
>both prone to violent outbreaks at times!
>One's a Security Chief and the other is a Fed,
>a Goverment policeman as it were.  I wonder
>what other similarities we could dig up.

Not sure I can think of any more.  Anyone?



From: "Ariana" (ariana@ndirect4tag.co.uk)
Subject: Re: Space1999: Re: Scully and Calendar
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:43:20 +0100

David Welle responding to René:

>>I definitely think Maya and Scully, both redheads coincidentally
>>(or perhaps not?  Who knows with Chris Carter...),
>
>Huh?  Sorry, I don't get the parenthetical.

Well, neither of the actresses are natural readheads if that's what René is
angling at, though I don't see what Chris Carter has to do with it.

I personally don't find Gillian Anderson particularly good looking. Since my
boyfriend always remarks on how ugly he thinks Barbara Bain is when we watch
S1999, I get back at him by complaining about Gillian Anderson. But hey,
it's *really* refreshing to have an average-looking woman playing a part --
you watch something like NYPD Blue (or, um, Star Trek...) and every woman
looks the same!

>>And Mulder reminds me of Tony in some ways --
>>both prone to violent outbreaks at times!
>>One's a Security Chief and the other is a Fed,
>>a Goverment policeman as it were.  I wonder
>>what other similarities we could dig up.
>
>Not sure I can think of any more.  Anyone?

Good looks? Heh heh.

Speaking of which, now we ladies have joined the discussion about scifi
"babes", how about listing some scifi "hunks"? <g>

Emma

"Things are getting strange, I'm starting to worry
 This could be a case for Mulder and Scully
 Things are getting strange, now I can't sleep alone"
             -- Catatonia, "Mulder and Scully"
                to be sung with a thick Welsh accent :)



From: "Brian Dowling" (hellion@easy44net.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:09:30 +0100
Subject: Re: Space1999: Re: Scully and Calendar

> I personally don't find Gillian Anderson particularly good looking. Since
> my boyfriend always remarks on how ugly he thinks Barbara Bain is when we
> watch S1999, I get back at him by complaining about Gillian Anderson. 

Neither of them do it for me, but here's a predecessor to Scully - Caroline 
John as Liz Shaw in Jon Pertwee's first season as the Doctor.  And better 
looking, methinks.  

> But hey, it's *really* refreshing to have an average-looking woman playing a
> part -- you watch something like NYPD Blue (or, um, Star Trek...) and
> every woman looks the same!

I'm not a fan of this thing where tv series after tv series casts supermodel 
type babes  - it's almost as if there's some kind of conveyor belt line 
producing them.  I've seen a few comments about Jeri Ryan's chest size - 
I'd honestly never noticed it.  **Brian thinks... does this make me 
abnormal?**

> Speaking of which, now we ladies have joined the discussion about scifi
> "babes", how about listing some scifi "hunks"? <g>

Here's a few more babes to add to the list:

Wendy Padbury - Zoe Herriot (Doctor Who)
Debbie Watling - Victoria Waterfield (Doctor Who)
Glynis Barber - Soolin (Blake's 7). Harriet Makepeace (Dempsey &
Makepeace).

As far as "hunk" guys go in sci-fi, might I suggest:

Michael Billington - SHADO's Paul Foster
Richard Franklin - UNIT's Capt Mike Yates (Doctor Who)
Simon Oates - Doomwatch's John Ridge (a different girl every episode!)
Gareth Hunt - The New Avengers' Mike Gambit (OK, sci fi & fantasy then!)
Nicholas Young - John, the leader of The Tomorrow People(and also in The
Bringers Of Wonder as Sandra's other half to be)

as potential candidates?  If we allow puppets, could we have Destiny
Angel and Captain Scarlet in the above categories?



From: "Petter Ogland" (petter.ogland@dnmi4tag.no)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:31:20 +0000
Subject: Re: Space1999: Re: Scully and Calendar

> > I personally don't find Gillian Anderson particularly good looking. Since
> > my boyfriend always remarks on how ugly he thinks Barbara Bain is when we
> > watch S1999, I get back at him by complaining about Gillian Anderson.

I always liked Barbara Bain very much during Year One.  More than her
looks, she is quite seductive in the way she speaks, gesticulates and
acts in relation to other people, Koenig, Victor, Alan etc. I sense.

I especially like episodes like SPACE BRAIN where her sentences are
snipped of by Victor and she is being tossed around by John, although
SPACE BRAIN is not on my top ten list.

While I'm not all enthusiastic about her melodramatic performances in
FULL CIRCLE, MISSION OF THE DARIANS, DEATH'S OTHER DOMINION and so on,
the subtle way she plays Dr. Helena Russell in BREAKAWAY, MATTER OF
LIFE AND DEATH, BLACK SUN and, in particular, RING AROUND THE MOON is
a major reason for watching the show,  I feel.

Barbara Bain did much for SPACE:1999, I feel.  Apart from the first four
episodes, where her character gets fully defined, more than Landau and
Morse I think Bain got much of the better lines and situations to
act through out the series, not at least in the Johnny Byrne episodes.

In ANOTHER TIME/ANOTHER PLACE, Johnny Byrne's version of EASY RIDER,
she is the most interesting character, I think, perhaps along with Alan,
definitely more interesting than Koenig and Bergman.  In FORCE OF LIFE
she is perhaps the only interesting character too.

In later episodes Johnny Byrne apparently felt the need to introduce
other characters which put the main cast more in the background.  This
is at least the case with VOYAGER'S RETURN, END OF INFINITY and TROUBLED
SPIRIT, I think, although Barbara Bain's support in these episodes is
far more interesting than, say, Martin Landau.  This is at least the
way I see it.

Petter



From: Ariana (ariana@ndirect4tag.co.uk)
Subject: Re: Space1999: Re: Scully and Calendar
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:35:09 +0100

>I'm not a fan of this thing where tv series after tv series casts supermodel
>type babes  - it's almost as if there's some kind of conveyor belt line
>producing them.

Absolutely. It's as if "serious" shows like NYPD Blue were casting the
overflow from Melrose Place!

>As far as "hunk" guys go in sci-fi, might I suggest:
>
>Michael Billington - SHADO's Paul Foster
>Richard Franklin - UNIT's Capt Mike Yates (Doctor Who)
>Simon Oates - Doomwatch's John Ridge (a different girl every episode!)

Can't say I'm familiar with any of the above, so I'll have to take your word
for it!

>Gareth Hunt - The New Avengers' Mike Gambit (OK, sci fi & fantasy then!)

Parsing vague memories... yeah, he's sort of okay. (actually, I find I get
the character confused with Tony Anholt's in "The Protectors" :)

>Nicholas Young - John, the leader of The Tomorrow People(and also in The
>Bringers Of Wonder as Sandra's other half to be)

Yeah, he wasn't bad either; didn't get much of an opportunity to develop a
personality in BoW, of course.

Off the top of my head, my suggestions of some *regular* scifi hunks -- we
can branch out into other categories after that (no particular order):

XF:  David Duchovny (Mulder) - solid wood, but still nice to look at
S99: Tony Anholt (Tony) - ah well, he's kind of cute, as I've said before ;)
TOS: Leonard Nimoy (Spock) - forget the ears, what about that *chest* when
     he was in the Nazi jail with Bones?! (I rather liked him in Mission:
     Impossible too, btw)
DS9: Siddig El Fadil (Bashir) - not crazy about the character, but the actor
     is pretty nice to look at
VOY: Robert Beltran (Chakotay) - he wouldn't quite top the list, but given a
     few pounds less, he's pretty attractive
SW:  Harrison Ford (Han Solo) - but of course! :9
B5:  Bruce Boxleitner (Sheridan) - he definitely qualifies as easy on the
     eyes imho (Sheridan in B5)

More will no doubt spring to mind later on... Anyone else care to give a
list?

>as potential candidates?  If we allow puppets, could we have Destiny
>Angel and Captain Scarlet in the above categories?

Taking the mickey, are we? :)

Emma



Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 14:42:48 -0500
From: Robert Gilbert (bcpgd@shaw.wave4tag.ca)
Subject: Re: Space1999: Re: Scully and Calendar

> Absolutely. It's as if "serious" shows like NYPD Blue were casting the
> overflow from Melrose Place!

No kidding, eh?

> >As far as "hunk" guys go in sci-fi

Don't forget David Hasselhoff from Knight Rider!

> SW:  Harrison Ford (Han Solo) - but of course! :9

I like Han Solo because he is so Cocky!  Harrison Ford has to be one of
my (if not thee most) fav actors!  Granted I haven't seen everything he
has done but what I've seen I like!



From: ARIMMR@aol4tag.com
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:50:09 EDT
Subject: Re: Space1999: Re: Scully and Calendar

sidig al fadig(bashir ds9)
tony anholt(space 1999)
paul darrow(avon blakes'7,could be all that leather he wore)
antonio sabato jr(earth 2)
anthony head(buffy & vr5,older but still very nice)
jason carter(b5,yummi!)
micheal eastmen?(vr5)
micheal praed(robin of sherwood)

ok time for a cold shower
lynn laakso



Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 03:37:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gordon & Carol Burgess (storm@catch44net.com.au)
Subject: Space1999: Here's a few more :-)

Three very important drop dead gorgeous fellas  :-)

Paul Darrow  - Avon: Blake's 7
James Morrison  - T.C.McQueen: Space: Above and Beyond.
Rodney Rowland  - Cooper Hawkws: Space: Above and Beyond.

Hondo.



From: Ariana (ariana@ndirect4tag.co.uk)
Subject: Re: Space1999: Re: Scully and Calendar
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:05:39 +0100

>jason carter(b5,yummi!)

Ack! I knew I was forgetting someone important. Yes, Jason Carter, of
*course*! Loved him -- there's yet another dark, handsome type who speaks
English like I do (like Anholt and Siddig).

>micheal praed(robin of sherwood)

I loved Robin of Sherwood; in fact, the very first complete story I wrote,
when I was 11, was about Robin Hood and based on that series. Mind you, I
have a soft spot for Robin Hood anyway (whether he's Errol Flynn, Sean
Connery, an animated fox, or a ponce wearing tights <g>).

>ok time for a cold shower

Hehe. Good idea. OTOH, it's raining here, so maybe I don't need it. :)

Emma