From: Pertti.Ruismaki@datex-engstrom44.com
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 08:49:24 +0300
Subj: Space1999: ANOTHER TIE-IN DISCOVERED!!!!
>Now......I DARE ANYONE to tie in the Space:1999 timeline with 2001:A Space
>Odyssey! (Yeah, sure - the entire movie was all Bowman on acid - nice try!)
Here's my suggestion:
The explosion at Waste Area 2 indirectly caused a timeline split
warp or something like that. Two universes were created, one with
Moon going away and one with moon staying in place.
Actually the Sentinel was found in the hole created by the
explosion, which had made the Sentinel's creators so mad that they
kicked the whole Moon away for an endless voyage. After cooling
down a little they regretted what they had done and made an
alternate universe with the Moon staying in its place and started
the project they called The Bowman Plan.
Clavius Base is not Moonbase Beta. Moonbase Alpha is an
International Lunar Commission installation while Clavius is a
U.S. base. This explains the different vehicles and other
hardware. The fact that USA is involved in two different moonbase
projects indicates that while Alpha is a peaceful science base,
Clavius may have been built for military reasons or other national
interests. Smoking is prohibited at the base, but there's a
frequent visitor who does smoke cigarettes all the time and nobody
dares to say anything about it.
-Pertti
From: Boomer1000@aol44.com
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 03:52:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subj: Re: Space1999: ANOTHER TIE-IN DISCOVERED!!!!
Mark Eidemiller has defied the list to create a 1999/2001 A Space Odyssey
tie-in...
Let's see, in 2001 we have a few Mysterious Unexplained Forces (the monolith,
the hotel room that ages David Bowman in leaps, and the plot itself), a
doomed space probe mission, a moonbase, and an enigmatic, self-aware central
computer system...
I'm not sure a tie-in is possible, Mark, the two formats are so wildly
dissimilar.
But it might have been fun to see how Frank, Dave and HAL would have handled
Balor.
How about a Six Million Dollar Man tie-in?
When I used to have the 1999 action figures as a young lad of eight years, my
Steve Austin action figure used to make a few "guest appearances" at Moonbase
Alpha. (I think I remember writing Mattel at that time and demanding that
they start cranking out Paul Morrow and Sandra Benes dolls). The idea was
that Col. Steve Austin had stowed away on the base during an OSI mission to
find a fembot killer that had become part of the Moonbase's staff. But the
magnetic radiation created by the waste dump explosions messed up his
bionics, see, and now he's got some kind of painful side-effects which make
him go berserk. So I had Steve Austin throwing Koenig around the inside of
the Main Mission playset a lot. Helena had to stop him by clubbing him over
the back of the head with her commlock. So it went until I got the Oscar
Goldman doll with the exploding briefcase... ahhhh. To be young again.
My head hurts, I'm going away now.
- Boomer
From: Evan Wharram (evanww@phc.igs44.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 17:24:40 -0400
Subj: Re: Space1999: ANOTHER TIE-IN DISCOVERED!!!!
Lets see if I can give it a shot.
The massive explosion that ripped the moon out of Earth's orbit also rips a
hole in the fabric of time and space. One time line involves the Alphan's
on their great quest. The other involves the 2001 time line. After the
events of 2010 the Earther's decide to land on Europa. This unleashes the
wrath of the Monolith and subsequently all human life on Earth is
extinguished. (Hey, they were given a warning). On the Alphan time line our
hero's enter another time warp, and arrive at "Another Time, Another Place"
having now entered the 2001 time line. This results in the current Earths
moon being vaporized due to the fact that the same particles of matter
cannot share the same time AND space. The Alphans then colonize. Years
later, our hero's meet themselves when another moon enters Earth orbit
because the time warp from years earlier also created another time line.
Thus begins the episode "Another Time, Another Place".
My head hurts now.
Evan
Alpha Recon Pilot # 149
From: Ian Wheeler (ian@ianjames.demon44.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 21:44:41 +0100
Subj: Re: Space1999: ANOTHER TIE-IN DISCOVERED!!!!
January 1999: TMA 1 Monolith discovered near American submoonbase
Clavius, one of 19 subbases established by world governments.
February 1999: Investigation into Clavius incident made, and kept
secret. Heywood Floyd, haed of NCA and ILFC, is sent to Clavius to
investigate. While there, the monolith sends a signal to Jupiter.
March 1999: Anton Gorsky assigned to MBA as Commander. Dr. Helena
Russell, Dr. Victor Bergman, and Sandra Benes, also reassigned.
May 1999: Clavius shut down due to funding problems from NCA. Full
resources now put into development of Alpha. An american presence is
still kept at the TMA 1 Monolith site, but it's existence is revealed to
the world.
July 1999: David Kano, Paul Morrow, and Tanya "thingy" assigned to
Alpha. NCA Now officially renamed the WSC (World Space Commission)
August 1999:Construction on USS Discovery now complete. Begins shakedown
in Earth orbit. HAL 9000 Unit installed, having become operational in
1992, and self aware in 1994.
Construction on Meta probe, mission to newly discovered Meta, complete.
Discovery launchdate put back until June 2001.
September 13, 1999: Moon blown out of Eart orbit. New International
Space Station, site of launch for the unsuccessful Ultra, and Swift
probes into outer reaches of Space destroyed. The International
spacedock, known as "The Wheels", also destroyed. Moon hurled out of
Earth orbit, along with TMA 1. Discovery, in orbit on the other side of
the Earth, is relatively undamaged. Earth undergoes some major
geological changes, but survives.
1999 TO 2001: A Mass world rebuilding program begins, and the New World
government is fromed. The US Spaceship Discovery, is then launched under
the banner of the United Nations, To invstigate the Jupiter monolith and
take long range readings of Meta, now slowly changing color. Moon
remains travelling, never to be seen again.
Hows that?
--
Ian Wheeler
From: Mark Eidemiller (skylab@e-z44.net)
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 23:27:00
Subj: Re: Space1999: ANOTHER TIE-IN DISCOVERED!!!!
Very good.
So does that mean that the Monolith is still at Tycho? What a story,
having Bergman check it out. Or the effects of the Black Sun on the
Monolith (the intellegence that created it could have done something that
kept the moon intact while going through the Black Sun, for it's own
self-preservation). Some interesting ideas here.
From: Ian Wheeler (ian@ianjames.demon44.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 11:07:12 +0100
Subj: Re: Space1999: ANOTHER TIE-IN DISCOVERED!!!!
Thanks. Makes you wonder whether Alpha's computer could have been a
relative of HAL, Doesn't it? Makes you wonder.........
"Good Envening Commander, everything's running smoothly."
"Good, SAL(?)"
"Im picking up a fault in the AE 34 Pressurisation unit........."
Hm.....I was thinking along the lines of The Monolith being blown up in
the Explosion, and hurled inot space, but the idea of an intellectual
like Victor made me think again.....What I'd really love to see is the
Space: 1999 to Space: Above and Beyond Timeline
From: David Welle
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 17:52:05
To..: space1999@buffnet4.buffnet.net
Subj: Space1999: A Space Odyssey: 1999
>Now......I DARE ANYONE to tie in the Space:1999 timeline with 2001:A Space
>Odyssey!
Uh, you asked for it! Well, maybe not this...
I'm not going to take on the whole thing, and I haven't seen the movie or
read the book (2001, that is) in a few years, and haven't seen "Breakaway"
for awhile either, but I'll try. Yikes, scary thought, eh? Especially
since I've intentionally fudged some parts of the timelines, messed with
some events and completely ignored others, and probably made errors on
other "facts" as well, especially since I just whipped this up in three
hours, without much attempt to proof or perfect it as I usually try to do.
So if you think this, or even just the idea of a 1999/2001 crossover, is
too horrendous to contemplate, you better stop reading now!
[EDITOR'S NOTE: The short story (21K) itself, including a few modifications
and improvements made at a later point, is on its own page,
A Space Odyssey: 1999.]
From: Dave Walsh (voidspyder@pipeline44.com)
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 19:31:18 -0400
Subj: Re: Space1999: A Space Odyssey: 1999
Good evening, Dave. Everything's running smoothly. Sorry, I couldn't
resist this line. The sound byte is my Windows Start sound. Anyhow, I saw
fewer holes in this plot than in about 94% of today's average television
script! Good work! Mark, the ball is now in your court...
From: Dean A Dunday (ddunday@powerweb44.net)
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 20:54:08 -0500
Subj: Space1999: David's tie-in
It may have only been whipped up in three hours but it was a very
awesome tie-in, at least in my opinion. It really kept my interest.
Good Work. Kelly
From: Jhon (jhon@pottsville.infi44.net)
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 22:24:43 -0400
Subj: Re: Space1999: ANOTHER TIE-IN =Knots Landing:1999
Gary and Val had another fight. Val is pregnant again, after the
hysterectomy. She needs a special operation to save her triplets and it
can only be performed in 1/6 gravity. Gary does not have the money to
send Val to Alpha so he campaigns his "friend," Greg Sumner, to lend him
some money. Greg will lend it to him only if he can go along for the
ride. He begins a plan to take over the moon base. Abby is back and is
tuning in to Greg's scheme. However, Brian is in Beverly Hills and
Olivia is in Florida. She wants to get the children to the moon, where
it'll be safe from Greg's plot and Abbs will take over control of Alpha.
-----------------
Meanwhile in LA, Ginger gets a call from Kenny and he is flying in to
see her. He had just had an affair with a doctor named Helena Russel and
is trying to get her out of his system. It seems she kept screaming.
Kenny learns that his and Ginger's singing career may take off on the
new Martian colony. However, Ginger is involved with Tony Verdeshi and
is planning on staying with him on Alpha, until his tour is over.
-----------------
On Mars, Victor is taking a vacation. He just lost his wife and daughter
and had built androids to replace them. They weren't quite what he
wanted, so he feigned his own death, and snuck away from them. Only
Colenel John Wilder and Father Stone knew of his plan.
================
Back on the moon, Valene is busy filling out forms for the necessary
surgery whilst Gar is wandering around the base. "It's incredible!" he
exclaims to his tour-guide, Sandra Benes. They look at each other and
immediately fall for each other.....
Hope you like. It's all in fun. Maybe it could generate a new soap on
the moon.
Later
http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/7973
jhon
From: Boomer1000@aol44.com
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 05:04:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subj: Re: Space1999: ANOTHER TIE-IN =Knots Landing:1999
Damn...
I think we've found someone I can pass my baton to.
Good work, Jhon.
- Boomer
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 00:36:57
From: Mark Eidemiller (skylab@e-z44.net)
Subj: Space1999: I surrender!!
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I concede defeat in the face of overwhealming challenges to my dare.
Congrats.
I like what I've read. Very thought-provoking. And it would be grand
material for fan fiction, if anyone has a mind to try it.
(By the way, I never did hear any reactions to the Star Wars connection.
What'd you think?)
Also, I'm in the process of reading TRANSFORMATIONS (very well done), and I
like the way they tied things together between Star Trek:TNG and
Space:1999. I had been skeptical, but now I can see where the
possibilities may have existed.
And finally, a question: how far out was the moon when they ran into the
Black Sun? Was it outside of our solar system?
From: Ian Wheeler (ian@ianjames.demon44.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:00:44 +0100
Subj: Re: Space1999: A Space Odyssey: 1999
>A Space Odyssey: 1999
>by David M. Welle
Wow! That is the most amazing croosover I have EVER read! You tied the
plots together with the skill of an author on the scale of Arthtur C.
Clarke himself! I am very impressed! Much better than my "timeline"!
Y' know what, I put my 2001: A Space Odyssey Soundtrack CD in my CDROM
Dirve and lsitened while I read this, and believe me, with "The Blue
Danube", Overture: Atmospheres,", Lux Auterna", and "Also Sprach
Zarathustra" in the background, it was awe inspiring!
BTW, Just a little thing, HOw come FLoyd is still alive in 2010, etc.,
after getting killed on the moon? (I KNOW, you said there were plot
holes, but I'll never be able to watch "Breakaway" again without
thinking of this!
From: David Welle (dwelle@online.dct44.com)
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 13:44:59
Subj: Space1999: A Space Odyssey -- Floyd's Survival
Hello again,
I'm glad the crossover story was enjoyable--thanks!
Ian pointed out the one thing that was bugging me the *most* about what I
wrote, even as I wrote it: the death of Floyd in the Breakaway explosion.
I knew he's in "2010," a movie I also like. So I didn't care for killing
that large of a portion of the timeline that would follow, but just
couldn't see how I could have him on the Moon, viewing the Monolith as it
came to life in the sunlight, and then have him survive the Breakaway
explosion moments later.
Basically, I happened to write the story linearly, and suddenly found I had
boxed myself into a corner where I couldn't save Floyd.
Well, I was wrong. After thinking about it again today, I realized Floyd
could survive to later go through the events of 2010. If you're curious,
check out the following address, (which has the whole story repeated with
the changes integrated in):
http://www.dct.com/~dwelle/19992001.html
Except for a few spelling and grammar fixes, nothing's changed until a
little over half-way through the story.
Also, if someone wants, I can send just the changed sections to the list as
well. Otherwise, just check out the URL listed above.
Thanks again
From: "Zoltan Motyan" (motyo@mail.matav44.hu)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 22:25:21 +0200
Subj: Re: Space1999: A Space Odyssey: 1999
Hey David,
What an exciting "remix"! I really enjoyed it!
I particularly like that part when Floyd and his collegues are watching
the Eagles carrying the nuclear waste containers. It's always very interesting
and exciting to see an already well known event from another view.
It should be filmed!
> Minutes later, they saw something. A shadowy presence that had apparently
> gone unnoticed during the last mission to Jupiter, a year before.
Do you mean the Astro 7 mission with Lee Russell? What if the monolith
affected Russell (and the others), too? The stargate also opened for that
spaceship: Russell went through the same transformation as later Bowman.
Later at Terra Nova the same aliens tried to communicate to and warn Alphans
by make Russell embody in his past form - not too successfully, though.
> Touched by strange forces, the Moon would never be the same again. Though
> it would never see one of these Monoliths or its related gates again, the
> Moon and its surviving inhabitants would end up jumping between star
> systems, sometimes slipping through another kind of space warp, but mostly
> just travelling through space--without benefits of an obvious "warp", but
> amazingly, faster than even light. It would slow down while approaching
> star systems, then build up speed again as it left--like some sort of
> gravity equation gone mad, reversed and magnified. Even the Eagle ships
> would share in this, allowing travel proportional to whatever the Moon was
> doing. They would visit planets within star systems, or meet up with alien
> ships able to ply space at speeds that were also faster than light.
Well... This is the most original explanation of the scientific impossibilities
of Space: 1999 I've ever read...
:)
Zoltan
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:28:00 +0300
From: Pertti.Ruismaki@datex-engstrom44.com
Subj: Space1999: David's tie-in
Congaratulations, Mr. Welle. You've done a good job.
But. Are there others like me who think that Internet tends to
take the fun out of everything by making information so easily
accessible?
Like: Somebody asks for some blonde jokes and somebody sends a
list of 1000+ blonde jokes.
Or: Somebody invents a new genre of jokes and asks people to make
some more jokes to the same format and suddenly he has a list of
1000+ jokes of that new type.
Or: Somebody asks for a 1999/2001 tie-in and somebody writes
something so perfect that it not only ties two totally different
scifi universes together but also explains most of the bad science
in one of them.
That's not fun anymore. Searching for something is interesting.
Finding it (especially in large amounts or unsurpassed quality) is
not.
-Pertti
From: David Welle (dwelle@online.dct44.com)
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 12:45:39
Subj: Re: Space1999: A Space Odyssey: 1999
>What an exciting "remix"! I really enjoyed it!
Thanks, Zoltan!
>> Minutes later, they saw something. A shadowy presence that had apparently
>> gone unnoticed during the last mission to Jupiter, a year before.
>
>Do you mean the Astro 7 mission with Lee Russell? What if the monolith
>affected Russell (and the others), too? The stargate also opened for that
>spaceship: Russell went through the same transformation as later Bowman.
>Later at Terra Nova the same aliens tried to communicate to and warn Alphans
>by make Russell embody in his past form - not too successfully, though.
You know, I actually wrote most of the story during breaks and lunch at
work, and then again after hours while still at work, so I didn't have
access to S19 information. I figured there had to be a 1990s mission of
some sort, considering just how many missions were cited in both seasons of
S19. I just could not remember what it might have been right. So I just
cited a "last mission" and left it at that, without getting more specific.
In any case, you are correct. Astro 7, with Lee Russell, went to Jupiter,
though the Kevin McCorry's time line cites it at 1994 rather than 1998, and
lists heat shield failure as the start of the problem. It is an
interesting possibility that you bring up: that Russell went through the
whole stargate process as Bowman did, and was "altered" into some sort of
"star child," and later was re-embodied into humanoid form. Russell never
came back to Earth's star system, but maybe the monoliths (or any makers
they may have had) were still waiting for "due process" to be followed:
that the one on the Moon had to be found before the one around Jupiter
would create the "star child" we saw in "2001" and then "2010".
>> Touched by strange forces, the Moon would never be the same again.
>
>Well... This is the most original explanation of the scientific impossibilities
>of Space: 1999 I've ever read...
Well, this is the second explanation for the Moon's travel I experimented
with -- the first being in my fan story "The Law of Indirection." Frankly,
having the sheer mystery and power of the Monolith at work in this second
attempt certainly made for an easier (or maybe more precisely, a *shorter*)
explanation! :-)
Thanks
From: "Zoltan Motyan" (motyo@mail.matav44.hu)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 22:51:16 +0200
Subj: Re: Space1999: A Space Odyssey: 1999
Hi David, all,
> ... but maybe the monoliths (or any makers
> they may have had) were still waiting for "due process" to be followed:
> that the one on the Moon had to be found before the one around Jupiter
> would create the "star child" we saw in "2001" and then "2010".
Yes, this is a weak point of my Russell-story: in 2001 the purpose of the signal
from the Moon's monolith is to warn the one at Jupiter (and maybe the aliens
themselves) to be prepared (whatever it means).
Perhaps the Jupiter's monolith decided by oneself when perceived Russell's probe.
It thought "sooner or later: doesn't matter. Let's take the opportunity!".
And it opened.
:)
Maybe Russell was too good or too bad to get the "job" that later Bowman got
from the aliens: to help make the Jupiter system come to life.
But in 1999 or 2000(?) when the Moon met Terra Nova he was the only chance
to communicate to Alphans.
Zoltan
From: djlerda@juno44.com (David J Lerda)
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 14:16:58 EDT
Subj: Re: Space1999: I surrender!!
>And finally, a question: how far out was the moon when they ran into the
>Black Sun? Was it outside of our solar system?
I would certainly hope so. A Black Sun (black hole) has so much
gravitational attraction that it would seriously disturb the orbits of
the planets in our solar system if it were close to it. I believe
(someone correct me if I am wrong) that the closest known black hole is
the X-ray source in the constellation Cygnus about 3,000 light-years from
Earth. Of course, 1999 is fiction so who really knows where they were.
According to all the timelines I've seen, "The Black Sun" was the third
episode. Maybe it was the "space warp" inferred by the opening credits
of Year 2 ("moon hurled into deep space....").
From: Mark Meskin (plastic.gravity@newrock44.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 14:56:12 -0600
Subj: Re: Space1999: ANOTHER TIE-IN DISCOVERED!!!!
>January 1999: TMA 1 Monolith discovered near American submoonbase
>Clavius, one of 19 subbases established by world governments.
This is kinda cool, but my impression after watching 2001 was that the
CLAVIUS moonbase was much bigger than alpha. It appears to be built in
the basin of a much larger and shallower crater. And doesn't the movie
establish its own timeline when it states something like "DISCOVERY JUPITER
MISSION-18 months later" That would place TMA-1 at roughly early 2000,
wouldn't it?
From: Ian Wheeler (ian@ianjames.demon44.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 13:39:55 +0100
Subj: Re: Space1999: ANOTHER TIE-IN DISCOVERED!!!!
The movie 2010 placed TMA 1's discovery in 1999. Kinda cool, huh?
From: Boomer1000@aol44.com
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 05:23:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subj: Re: Space1999: Black Sun question...
Mark wanted to know how far out in space the Moon was when they encountered
the Black Sun.
My theory is that the first four episodes of the series should be arranged as
follows to preserve the chronological flow of the Alphans' quest:
1. Breakaway
2. Earthbound (I insert this one as #2, because you never saw Simmonds
interfering with Koenig's command in any other episode, and if he had been
around, he certainly would have)
3. Matter of Life and Death
4. Black Sun
Breakaway obviously takes place in the Earth's solar system. The events of
Earthbound apparently occurred in deep space, with enough proximity in time
to the events in Breakaway for Simmonds to still be around and putting
pressure on Koenig to find a way to return to Earth, implying that the
Alphans still had at least an idea of where the Earth was (and that they
hadn't gone through any space warps yet).
Matter of Life and Death and Black Sun both take place, I think, in the same
solar system, near enough to the Earth that the Moon could get there in a
reasonable amount of time (assuming some relativistic time dilation was
operating). The star system also would have to contain both a black hole and
an anti-matter planet; the only nearby star system that might fit this bill
is the 61 Cygni system, where a UC (unseen companion) object exists that is
also an intense X-ray source of the type associated with black holes. The
system would probably be close enough to Earth for Lee Russell's
malfunctioning ship to have made it to the anti-matter planet.
After nearly being annihilated by the anti-matter world, the Alphans then run
right into the black sun, which catapults them into an entirely different
region of space. (We know that Simmonds probably wasn't still on Alpha at
that point, or he would have tried to force his way aboard the survival Eagle
at gunpoint.)
Maybe we could also fit "Death's Other Dominion" into the starting line-up
somehow, to account for the discovery of another doomed expedition from Earth
without stretching credulity too far... anyways, food for thought.
Toodles for now,
- Boomer
[EDITOR'S NOTE: Followed by a 'More Crossovers' thread.]