Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:32:42 -0700 From: pietrini@biocell.irmkant.rm.cnr4tag.it (Andrea Pietrini) Subject: SO YOU THINK TO KNOW DRAGON'S DOMAIN..... Hi Alphans !!!! I'm very glad to see you again! After my S.O.S. in deep space, you helped me returning to Alpha despite Eagle malfunction, and now, here in the general headquarter, I'll tell you an exciting story. I know you are curious, so let's go: I have examinated closely Dragon's Domain, and I have found a lot of 'interesting' things..... if you have patience, I can start......(and excuse me for my syntax errors...) ONE- When Tony Cellini hits Alan Carter, look carefully at the fist !! Alan is not touched by Tony's fist, but he fall down clamorously ! TWO- Look at Alan's fall ! Is this a 'natural' falling ? (Alan touches ground with hands first, then turns his head not to smash his nose ! ) THREE- When Tony Cellini turns on lights in the beginning, lights turn on before Tony switches on ! FOUR- In the ship cemetery, we can see the 'Alpha Child' ship (with slight differences) (THANKS TO SIMONE MONETTI artuik@cdc.it) FIVE- During the disperate battle between Alphans and the monster, we can see the circular bobins on the wall stop or go depending of camera shots.( this is not necessarily a blooper, however) SIX- After monster death, we can see Alphan's faces: Victor's face is astonished, Helena's terrorized, Koenig's very tired....and the security guard is laughing !!!!!!! (Surely he thought to be out of screen,instead the camera filmed him also !!!) SEVEN-When Tony arrives on Ultra for the final fight, we can see Alphan's bodies covered by spider webs.....OH YEAH, SPIDERS IN DEEP SPACE !!!! (Mutant spiders from outer space ?....) EIGHT- More, ground is dirty and covered by moisture !!! (MOISTURE ??????????) NINE- But when the monster appears, ground is clean !!!!!!! TEN- Look carefully when the last Alphan girls is caught by monster's tentacle !!!! This scene has been edited in 'reverse phase' !! ( It's clearly visible when the tentacle is catching girl's neck.) ELEVEN- When Alpha meets the space cemetery ,where Ultra planet is ? TWELWE- If you watch closely, there are a lot of imprecisions about times and facts. AND NOW, THE AWARDS !!!!!!! BRONZE MEDAL Tony Cellini pilots an Eagle without central module, but when he opens the door, we can see the corridor linking pilot cabin with module!!! (THANK TO ROBERTO BALDASSARI baldas@mbox.vol.it) SILVER MEDAL When Tony Cellini goes for final fight, he takes on him: knife. Axe.Rope. Then he enters. The camera focuses on the harpoon that has not been taken. Well, in the subsequent scene, what is the weapon Tony holds in his hand ? THE HARPOON, obviously !!!!!!!! GOLD MEDAL !!!!! When Ultra links the alien ship, we can see the linking is vertical (one ship upon other). But when Tony opens the door to go aboard, a LATERAL door is opened !!!!! and a very special GOLD MEDAL #2 When Alan Carter approaches Ultra, he made a link in the RIGHT side of ship !! When Alphans arrive, they enter from LEFT !!!!!! And for a good final...after 'fly like an Eagle,Crash like a Carter, Wooden like a Bain'......here's to you : MODERN LIKE AN ULTRA ( with hand brakes and manual shifting !!!!!!) Well, I'm very tired.....I hope you are glad !!!! I'll accepts all comments !!!!!! Bye, ANDREA NEXT TIME.......'THE TROUBLED SPIRIT ' !!!!!!!!!!!!! One of my favorite episode!!!!! COOMING SOON!!!!!!!!
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 20:26:06 -0700 From: cmchast@ix.net44com.com (Christopher M. Chastain) Subject: Dragon's Domain Hi to all! Being a recent convert to Space:1999 as well as new to this list, I hope this is not a question that has been discussed before. I taped and watched "Dragon's Domain" last night for the first time. I noticed something strange dealing with the chronology of the Ultra Probe. Helena gives the launch date as sometime in June,1996. However, previously in the episode, a newscast that discusses who will fly the probe gives the current date in September,1996. Did anyone else notice this before and is there an explanation? Thanks for any insight you might provide! Chris
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 07:03:41 -0700 From: Amardeep_Chana@xn.xerox4tag.com (Chana,Amardeep) Subject: DD Monster They sure left a lot to the imagination in that one. After watching the episode again after 21 some odd years a number of questions popped into my head... 1) Were they just particularly unlucky to have docked to the one ship the monster was hiding in or were there nasties in each one of them? 2) Was the thing consuming them as food or just plain killing them in a nasty way? 3) How did the monster travel from one vessel to another as they were no longer docked, and presumably nobody was still alive to undock them? 4) How come an axe could kill it but a laser could not? I mean, something that a knife could cut and cause to bleed should be able to get burned by a laser. This reinforces my assertion that Alpha, eagles, and space probes should be equipped with spear guns. BTW, it is just as creepy now as it was when I was 8. Now I understand why some folks thought that episode was too violent for television. Amardeep
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 07:57:07 -0700 From: Ronald Dudley (dudleyrd@expert.cc.purdue4tag.edu) Back on April 18, Andrea Pietrini (pietrini@biocell.irmkant.rm.cnr.it) made up a very good list of bloopers from "Dragon's Domain". Now I will add some: When the ultra probeship first enters the spaceship graveyard, way back in the distance, you can see the ultra probeship already docked to another ship! The sequence was filmed for later in the episode, when the eagles are entering the graveyard, but it was also used earlier in the episode. They hoped "no one will notice" that the probeship was shown as it looked after Cellini escaped. When Cellini is first trying to get the door open, to save his fellow crewmen, his hair has a dry look to it. Yet both before and after the scene of Cellini struggling with the door, his hair has the wet look of being greased down with oil. The hairstyling department forgot to wet down his hair for that intermediate scene. When Cellini is trying to get the door closed, but the Monster's tentacles are in the doorway, he hacks at the tentacles with a hatchet or a handaxe. He gets Monster Blood on his chest! They must have had a special effects man standing just off camera with a squirt gun or water bottle, and he squirted Monster Blood on Cellini's chest. Yet when Cellini gets into the pilot chair and ejects, his chest is dry! I guess that they remembered that no one is supposed to beleive his story, so they had Cellini drop his hatchet (with the monster's blood on it) back on the probeship, and switched his shirt to a dry one, lest Cellini have physical evidence of the Monster by having some of its blood on objects when he returns to Earth. Of course, Commissioner Dixon would have hired OJ Simpson's dream team of shysters to persuade everyone that the Monster's Blood was actually part of a coverup-conspiracy by Koenig & Bergman. Other observations of "Dragon's Domain": There's lost dialog between Cellini and Monique Fouchere. You see their lips moving, but Helena is narrating, so I don't know what they said. Does anyone out there read lips? Koenig is really pissed! He slaps a compost as he walks by it! Dragon's Domain is a lot like Sigourney Weaver's Alien/Aliens. In both, only one of the space crew survive, and nobody believes the monster story, so each goes back to justify their respective story. Were there any space monster movies from the 1950's or 1960's with similar stories? Koenig takes on the Monster in the most preposterous way. After discovering that the monster is real, and seeing it eat Cellini, what does old Koenig do? Real people, like Cellini the first time, would run for their lives! But instead, Koenig says "Hold your fire" and might as well have added "I am going to get closer to this maneating monster". It is just so crazy that someone would go after that nest of tentacles with only an axe! Now what would have been really cool would be if Cellini had returned with a chainsaw! Koenig would have been more beleivable if he had picked up a chainsaw, and proceeded to amputate every single tentacle, then stick the chainsaw in the monster's eye. Strangest of all, when the monster makes its very first appearance, for a split second, you can see a stream of liquid squirting out of the upper part of it! What the heck is this? Is the Monster urinating? The first time I began to notice this effect, I thought it was raining in the probeship. After watching it 3 times, I finally figured out that there is a stream of fluid squiring out of the monster! If the Monster is peeing, maybe it is supposed to like an animal, marking its territory with its scent? If the Monster is taking a piss, then its physiology is upsidedown: Its mouth is at the base of its body, and it pisses out of the upper part of its body! Or is it supposed to be venom? Perhaps, originally, the Monster was supposed to stun its victims with this strange stream of fluid, but they decided that it looked too corny, so they instead switched to the monster mesmerizing its victims with the whirrling lights? I suppose that they had trouble making the tentacles grab people in a believable way, because it looks really lame how the lights stun the victims, and then the victims RUN RIGHT INTO THE MONSTER'S TENTACLES ! Has anybody else noticed this from the first scene of the monster? Does anybody else know anything about the history of the monster effects? Does Mike Pendergrast have photo's of it, in someone's basement? A Space Monster that pisses! Weird! Ronald
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 09:35:28 -0700 From: PRE-PAY ON THE PUMPS AFTER DARK (boomershine@ACAVAX.LYNCH44BURG.EDU) Subject: Monster Piss Ronald, you bring up a number of interesting points about "Dragon's Domain". I think we can forgive the monster for not having the training or the instinct to find a secluded place to pee. And what was that sea of yellowish muck visible beyond the monster's bulk, through the open doorway? Eeeeewwwchhh! I'd like to run a tricorder over THAT stuff before I'd step in it. Or maybe the monster simply couldn't hold its urine and "wet itself" at the sight of the ugly humans invading its territory. A similar experience happened to me when I was at Disneyworld, at age 9, buried in the line waiting for the "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea" ride, but I digress. An interesting monster, that can survive inside the ageless hulk of a dead spaceship indefinitely, awaiting new victims to devour. I noticed the mysterious "doubling" of the Ultra Probeship too... perhaps the "spaceship graveyard" passed through a massive tear in the space-time continuum, resulting in the spatial paradox of Cellini piloting his ship towards a rendezvous which already took place... naw, it was just another SFX screw-up. Oh, and one more point. The Eagle command module, and the Ultra probeship command module, are obviously compatible, but they are not identical. The Probeship's command module has a larger area just aft of the cockpit, plus those neat "grabber arms" to lock onto the rest of the probeship. Another episode which proves the old adage, "Today's highly trained astronaut is tomorrow's misshapen heap of monster excrement." I'd like to ask Roberto Baldassari if he has plans to draw up blueprints of the Ultra Probeship? That's MY $0.02, - John Boomershine
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 09:42:43 -0700 From: monte@en4tag.com (Monte Ferguson) Subject: Re: DD Monster >1) Were they just particularly unlucky to have docked to the one ship > the monster was hiding in or were there nasties in each one of them? (I've taped the episode but not watched it yet, so this comes from memory) I was under the impression the beastie teleported from place to place. >2) Was the thing consuming them as food or just plain killing them in > a nasty way? For all we know it was a particularly unsafe form of alien sex. >4) How come an axe could kill it but a laser could not? Sci-Fi is chock-full of energy eating monsters. "Shoot me again with your puny weapon, Earthman! Behold, I grow even STONGER!" >BTW, it is just as creepy now as it was when I was 8. Now I understand > why some folks thought that episode was too violent for television. I think it's my favorite episode...
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 10:03:26 -0700 From: Highlander the Immortal (valhalla@fl4tag.net.au) Subject: Re: DD Monster Yes I remember that...it is probably what started my collection of antique weapons, from axes to swords to knives:} My safety collection you may say:} Highlander Base Commander #23 Forge me a sword, and I want you to try To sharpen it well when you're done. For I learned yesterday that I cannot die, And they say there can be only one. Forge me a sword, for I need to defend Against those who'll come seeking my head. And we'll fight 'till the inescapable end, That leaves one alive, and one dead. Forge me a sword, there can be only one, And too much time already has passed. For though we all must fall, ere the Game can be done, I'll be damned if I won't be the last. Highlander valhalla@fl.net.au THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 10:06:16 -0700 From: Amardeep_Chana@xn.xerox4tag.com (Chana,Amardeep) Subject: Re: DD Monster > I was under the impression the beastie teleported from place to place. Yes, it seems to be able to dematerialize. If it could move between craft while dematerialized, then Cellini may still have been in danger until his capsule moved "out of range" or something. >I think it's my favorite episode... It is definately my favorite (as stated in my profile!). One of the things that really got to me was that here are these astronauts 8 months from home and exploring a new world. Their first contact with aliens was to be EATEN like a bug in a Venus Flytrap. How disrespectful! Not, "Hey, you are on my turf, I'm going to kill you." It didn't even acknowledge them as beings... just FOOD. Amardeep
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 10:46:18 -0700 From: Ronald Dudley (dudleyrd@expert.cc.purdue4tag.edu) I can't think of anything else ever on TV as great as Ultra Monster. Sure, there have been a few creepy slime monsters, but nothing as horrifying as a nest of tentacles that vomits out the charred remains of corpses! Unfortunately, this story is too good to do justice to in 52 minutes. Dragon's Domain should have been a two parter. Sadly, it was the 2nd to last episode of Year1, and from the bloopers, it looks like a rushed job. And yet, it is still one of the best of the entire series. The effects crew went to the trouble of making the Monster's squirting effect, only to have the film editor cut out virtually all of it. If only it had been a 2 parter. The story is a completely supernatural one. You're not supposed to take it as anykind of science fiction, like Sigourney Weaver's Aliens. Every aspect to the Ultra Monster is meant to appeal to your emotions, to repulse you, and even make you sick, if possible. There's nothing intellectual about it. Its a no-brainer. All you need is a strong stomach. I take it that your questions are meant to point this out, that there's a lot that we can't rationalize about this horror story. But still I will try: for #3, I would guess that whatever held ships docked together, came undone over the centuries. If electro-magnetic clamps held ships together, then when the batteries ran out, they might have drifted apart, pushed around by meteorite strikes or the pressure of starlight, or atmosphereic drag from Planet Ultra. Ultra Probeship was completely dark when Cellini returned, presumably its power ran out, but since it was the most recent victim, it just hadn't drifted away yet. Perhaps the other ships had Star Trek-type "transporters" and they had "beamed" the Monster aboard in every case? Woops! I was 11 when I first saw it, and I had to stay up to something like 11pm or even midnight to see it, and I watched it in a completely dark and quiet house when everyone else was asleep, and afterward, I couldn't sleep because that episode charged me up so much! I think that my local station wouldn't show D'sD, until they switched 1999 from 8 pm to 11pm. I love the horror elements in Year1: Cellini's Monster, Mateo's Troubled Spirit, the cannibal Darians, the possessed Zoref, Rowland's nasty death. Unfortunately, Freddy did away with such stories, and only gave us "Lambda Factor" and the rubber Maya-monster-of-the-week.
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:56:00 -0700 From: Bill Greer (bgreer@tricon4tag.net) Subject: Dragon's Domain Office With all this talk about Dragon's Domain, I popped in my tape today. I was wondering if anyone knew for sure whether the office of the space official on Earth (sorry, don't remember his name) is possibly the set used for "M" - the boss of James Bond. The padded door sure looks familiar. Since both Bond and 1999 were filmed at Pinewood, I figure its a good possibility. Anyone know?
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 22:13:47 -0700 From: "Gina L. Prosch" (glprosch@cs1.presby4tag.edu) Subject: Re: your mail > Dragon's Domain is a lot like Sigourney Weaver's Alien/Aliens. In both, only > one of the space crew survive, and nobody believes the monster story, so > each goes back to justify their respective story. Were there any space > monster movies from the 1950's or 1960's with similar stories? Hi Ronald, In fact, IT! THE TERROR FROM BEYOND SPACE (1958) was the inspiration for Alien/Aliens. It's about some astronaughts that land on a planet and the person chomping alien gets on board the ship and starts killing them off one by one. It's been a few years since I saw this one, and can't remember how many of the astronaughts survive. Also, you mention "running into the monster's tentacles" --reminds me of Bride of the Monster, the Ed Wood film where Lugosi had to lay in freezing cold water and pretend the rubber octopus was eating him by manually flipping the tentacles around. No wonder Landau got the part of Lugosi in ED WOOD --he had all that tentacle thrasing practice!! :) Richie
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 00:17:29 -0700 From: baldas@mbox.vol4tag.it (Roberto Baldassari) Subject: Re: Monster Piss > I'd like to ask Roberto Baldassari if he has plans to draw up blueprints >of the Ultra Probeship? Hi John, No. I've no plans to make any other blueprints. Unfortunally I have no time. You can find the blueprints of the Ultra Probeship in volume II of Keith Young's beautiful drawing of everything on Alpha and beyond. Alpha Technical Data Center. c/o Keith Young. 45800 Challenger Way #217, Lancaster, CA 93535 USA These are in the same format as the original Starlog Technical Manual binder and are meant as to supplement it. Take Care... Roberto Baldassari baldas@mbox.vol.it Mantova - Italy - Europe Earth - Sol System Alpha Quadrant - Milky Way
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 11:39:19 -0700 From: Ronald Dudley (dudleyrd@expert.cc.purdue4tag.edu) Thanks Marshall Pointdexter. Yesterday, I wrote: >> After watching Cellini's Monster eat the Ultra Probeship crew >> about 10 times, one victim, Dr. Darwin King, started to look >> awful familiar, as if he were in something else I had seen >> several times. After getting the actor's name from the Tech >> Notebook (Michael Sheard), and checking his entry at Internet >> Movie Database, I discovered where I had seen him before. > >> It seems Michael Sheard was not only eaten by the Ultra Monster, >> but was also killed by none other than Darth Vader! Sheard >> played Admiral Ozzel in "The Empire Strikes Back", the guy >> who brought the Imperial Fleet out of Hyperspace too soon/too >> far away, and gave the rebels time to prepare, so Darth killed >> him. Other 1999 veterans in ESB include Julian Glover (Jarak, >> "Alpha Child") as General Veers, and Michael Culver (Irving, >> "Guardian Of Piri") as Captain Needa, and of course, Dave Prowse. And Marshall replied > Sheard also appeared in a S1999 Season 2 episode: "Journey to Where." He > was the guy who was a little ticked off that Russell, Koenig, and Carter > got to go back to Earth. He also figured out that Koenig was trying to send > a message back through their bio-monitors via morse code. Incredible! Victor died, but Dr. Darwin King came back to life! He must have snuck aboard the docked Eagle, when everybody was distracted while fighting the monster. Was he living in Year2 under an assumed name? George Lucas must have thought that ex-alphans made good Evil Imperialists. Ronald
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:36:03 -0700 From: Petiepry@aol4tag.com Subject: DD Armadeep brought forth the same questions I had about this episode. I can remember being very scared and those icky corpses that came out of the monnster's gut. I really liked seeing that episode primarily for the history/storytelling of what happened 5+ years ago. There sure are a lot of unanswered questions about where the monster came from, why he appeared to Alpha later, and why the Alphans are so darn unlucky.
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 22:33:18 -0700 From: "Gina L. Prosch" (glprosch@cs1.presby4tag.edu) Subject: Re: DD Here's a question I continue to have regarding the DD Monster. What's up with the lights? Is that effect supposed to be the monster "materializing" as inside the Ultra Probe --or is the monster using the lights to "hypnotize" its victims. If so, can it do so over a long range? What I'm getting at is this (and I don't think it was really even touched on by the episode) --Bergman notes the incredible coincidence of finding the ship graveyard w/the Ultra Probe. Especially considering that both the collection of ships as well as the Moon are "light-years" from Sol and thus (presumably) Ultra. Koenig kind of brushes him off, but it DOES seem too weird even for S1999 continuity. But consider that the very first scenes are of ol' Tony being haunted by the Monster Lights. Now, it seems like the writers would just like us to assume that was a nightmare, though I felt like they were hinting at some sort of connection between Tony and the Monster (St. George and the Dragon) so what if the Monster and its ships (like a turtle carries its "house") were following Tony, sort of locked in on his mind --following Alpha ever since it left the solar system? Does this make any sense? Richie
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 05:26:16 -0700 From: Patricia Sokol (sokolp@war.wyeth4tag.com) Subject: Re: DD -Reply >...I felt like they were hinting at some sort of connection >between Tony and the Monster so what if the Monster and >its ships (like a turtle carries its "house") were following >Tony, sort of locked in on his mind --following Alpha ever >since it left the solar system? One interpretation may be that Tony was the "one that got away". I don't recall if he was actually affected by the lights. (which may have been a theatrical prop to indicate hypnosis, and the victims did not necessarily see) If he did experience the monster's hypnotic effects, but managed to get away anyway, then as they got closer to that area, Tony's attachment may have gotten stronger, like a post-hypnotic suggestion. Actually, I think Helena mentions something to that effect at some point. Could be the monster's defence mechanism to be sure there are no witnesses, too. If I were a giant one-eyed spider - essentially what this thing is, in my view - then I'd want to remain as in cognito as possible or I could become lunch for something higher in the food chain. -PTS.
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 08:07:25 -0700 From: Ronald Dudley (dudleyrd@expert.cc.purdue4tag.edu) > Here's a question I continue to have regarding the DD Monster. What's up > with the lights? Is that effect supposed to be the monster > "materializing" as inside the Ultra Probe --or is the monster using the > lights to "hypnotize" its victims. If so, can it do so over a long range? I think that you are correct about the whirling lights as the Monster hypnotizing its victims, hypnotizing them into running into its tentacles. I think they cooked this up because the special effects people, while creating a great looking mess of tentacles, couldn't get the tentacles to convincingly grab onto people. And they couldn't get the Monster to convincingly chase people around either. So they had to come up with some way of getting the people to the Monster, since the reverse didn't look beleivable. Then they backdated the whirling lights into the opening scene. Psychic phenomena is so hokey, and so outside the realm of science, that hypnosis need not have a range limitation. The force of gravity is inversely proportional to the square of distance between two bodies, but horror writers can make up anything they want to about psi-phenomena, and always have. Scientists have never been able to build a "psi-meter", with which to take measurements of supposed psychic phenomena, and psi-advocates wouldn't care about the results anyway. That's whi psi-phenomena is dismissed as "Pseudo-science". > What I'm getting at is this (and I don't think it was really even touched > on by the episode) --Bergman notes the incredible coincidence of finding > the ship graveyard w/the Ultra Probe. Especially considering that both > the collection of ships as well as the Moon are "light-years" from Sol > and thus (presumably) Ultra. Koenig kind of brushes him off, but it DOES > seem too weird even for S1999 continuity. It is supposed to seem very weird. "Dragon's Domain" is 1999's trip into the weird world of The Twilight Zone. It is a horror story. You aren't supposed to understand it, because the writers probably didn't. Don't use your brain. Just experience the weirdness and the terror! Stephen King doesn't explain a lot of his weird stuff. Michael Moncey (mpmoncey@aec1.apgea.army.mil) rambles: > , , , , How many other good scenes must be > edited out by the Sci-Fi people (those butchers!). SciFi Channel cut these from "Dragons Domain": Kano informs Koenig that Cellini has entered the restricted area. As shown, Koenig mysteriously appears, already looking for Cellini, as if Koenig were psychic. Dr. Mathias examined the bearded Cellini, and says "Yes he'll survive, on courage!" Dixon says "Maybe you're not concerned with your reputations, but mine is bound up with the future of the space program." Ronald
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:29:03 -0700 From: pietrini@biocell.irmkant.rm.cnr4tag.it (Andrea Pietrini) Subject: Dragon'sDomain whirling lights About Ultra Monster lights: Hi guys, I have observed 'carefully' the monster's whirling lights, and I am sure they are the conventional drawing of the atom; nucleus is in the center, and electronic orbitals all around. Obviously it is a 'flashing image' in order to create an astonishing effect, but I have seen this image several times in many books. Hoping not to make another mistake !!!! Andrea
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:35:56 -0700 From: Gary Girouard (GGirouard@ri44hosp.edu) Subject: Dragon'sDomain whirling lights -Reply ** Low Priority ** did nayone else notice the same lights were in new adams, new eves in command center when megus appeared? gary
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:23:15 -0700 From: David Washke (daw9857@evt.fse.ca.boeing4tag.com) Subject: Re: Dragon's Domain cuts Ronald wrote: > SciFi Channel cut these from "Dragons Domain": > > Dixon says "Maybe you're not concerned with your reputations, but mine > is bound up with the future of the space program." > I'll have to watch this episode again to confirm, but I do recall Dixon saying the above line in last week's SFC broadcast. Anybody else remember?
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:23:46 -0700 From: kevin.murphy@moncton4tag.org Subject: Re: Dragon's Domain cuts Yeah, I do remember him saying that line. The reason it sticks out is because I remember thinking what a wanker (Ilove that word!) he was for saying it. I don't remember seeing the other scenes that were mentioned, so the editing was still pretty extreme. Your Chief Recreation Officer. Kevin P.S. I've just checked out Marcy's 1999 pages, AWSOME! Hat's off to her for putting a great effort forward for all of us to see.
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 22:04:28 -0700 From: Edward Lotter (lotter@loop4tag.com) Subject: RE: > Strangest of all, when the monster makes its very first appearance, for > a split second, you can see a stream of liquid squirting out of the upper > part of it! What the heck is this? Is the Monster urinating? The first This reminds me. In the episode "Voyager's Return" the special effect for the Voyager's thruster is a stream of water. Watch closely and you will occasionally see a drop of water fall off the ship straight down!! Had the technical crew thought about it for a moment they could simply have mounted the ship vertically so that the water sprayed straight down, instead of the diagonal angle which they used, and used the camera to achieve the angled point of view. This would have avoided the droplet blooper.
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:24:35 -0700 From: a_tucker@delta44net.com (Ande Tucker) Subject: Re: RE: Very strange. The technique you describe, a camera *below* was "invented" (and now a standard in the industry...) by Brian Johnson for use in explosions. This way, gravity makes it looks as if the blast really does radiate. Thats why the FX in 1999 are so great. Which begs the question - why didn't he follow his own line of thought and have the Voyager craft vertical with the camera angled.....
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 22:04:24 -0700 From: Edward Lotter (lotter@loop4tag.com) Subject: RE: DD Monster > 1) Were they just particularly unlucky to have docked to the one ship > the monster was hiding in or were there nasties in each one of them? Either are plausible answers. > 2) Was the thing consuming them as food or just plain killing them in > a nasty way? It appeared to have absorbed all moisture from them and returned dry husks. Very nasty! > 3) How did the monster travel from one vessel to another as they were > no longer docked, and presumably nobody was still alive to undock them? It got into the Ultra probe when they opened the access hatch of the alien craft. After that it remained aboard the Ultra probe. > 4) How come an axe could kill it but a laser could not? Hmm. Agreed, this does not make much scientific sense. A case of drama being raised above science perhaps. > BTW, it is just as creepy now as it was when I was 8. Now I understand > why some folks thought that episode was too violent for television. Indeed. Some of those sound effects are *really* disturbing. This was the one episode that stood out in my memory as being the most horrifying, and yet I dared not close my eyes for fear of missing one moment of Space:1999! :) Cheers Eddie
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 22:34:57 -0700 From: "Gina L. Prosch" (glprosch@cs1.presby4tag.edu) Subject: Re: Dragon'sDomain whirling lights > I have observed 'carefully' the monster's whirling lights, and I am sure they > are the conventional drawing of the atom; nucleus is in the center, and > electronic orbitals all around. Obviously it is a 'flashing image' in order to > create an astonishing effect, but I have seen this image several times in many > books. Hi Andrea, That effect was familiar to me too --among other things (and I hadn't thought of the atom, but you're right!) it recalled the creature that feeds on hate from the Star Trek episode Day of the Dove (sort of). Richie
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 22:48:45 -0700 From: david.pochron@jadebbs4tag.com Subject: DRAGON'SDOMAIN WHIRLIN Heh, when I first saw DD back in '75 as a kid, I thought the lights were a plug for ITC's logo! :-)
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 06:03:59 -0700 From: Ronald Dudley (dudleyrd@expert.cc.purdue4tag.edu) I wrote: > SciFi Channel cut these from "Dragons Domain": > > Dixon says "Maybe you're not concerned with your reputations, but mine > is bound up with the future of the space program." Dave Washke replied: > I'll have to watch this episode again to confirm, but I do recall > Dixon saying the above line in last week's SFC broadcast. Kevin Murphy replied: > Yeah, I do remember him saying that line. The reason it sticks out is because > I remember thinking what a wanker (Ilove that word!) he was for saying it. Well, actually the last part of Dixon's line was cut. In Sunday's episode, Dixon does say "Maybe you're not concerned with your reputations,,," but alot of what he said afterward was cut. You can notice the cutting job from the jerky motion, and the tiny blip noise. Richie Prosch (glprosch@cs1.presby.edu) writes >> It is supposed to seem very weird. "Dragon's Domain" is 1999's trip >> into the weird world of The Twilight Zone. It is a horror story. >> You aren't supposed to understand it, because the writers probably didn't. >> Don't use your brain. Just experience the weirdness and the terror! >> Stephen King doesn't explain a lot of his weird stuff. > > Upon reflection, I like this explanation a lot. Too bad they didn't dub > in some of that creepy TV Scary-movie music > > Actually, I can't remember the music from DD as I was too busy getting > into the dialogue and action!! The "music" playing while the Monster ate was the same kind of (organ?) noise that played when the mutant Darian Survivors brought their captives into their main hall to be examined by their High Priest. Both scenes are horror stories about aliens with unusual appetites. Munch. Munch.
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:06:18 -0700 From: pietrini@biocell.irmkant.rm.cnr4tag.it (Andrea Pietrini) Subject: DRAGON'S DOMAIN:Another blooper... Hi guys, In the italian S1999 webpage I have found another incredible blooper I have missed : when Ultra is approaching the ships graveyard, Tony Cellini and Darwin King look ahead to ships: the scene changes and we can see the graveyard, also: but in the middle we can see Ultra probeship already linked to the alien ship.. Ultra stands in two places in the same time ! What a bad editing !!!!!!! Bye, Andrea (if someone wants an almost complete list of DD bloopers, I'll remail it )