Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 22:36:47 -0700 From: Allen Michael Retodo (ndver@well4tag.com) Subject: :1999 cards how much? Hi, Got a question. I was at an antique store, and I saw an unopened set of Space:1999 bubble gum cards for sale. They still have the gum in the wrappers. How much is this set worth? I also have one :1999 walkie talkie comlock. How much is that worth? I was at a book store and I saw a picture in toy collector book of a walking Commander Koenig in a space suit. Funny item to see. Who has one of these things? Mike
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 23:52:24 -0700 From: Sfcafeguy@aol4tag.com Subject: Re: :1999 cards how much? If the bubble gum cards are a full set of 66 (made in America by Donruss) they can be found for as little as $30 -- sometimes -- but usually they're more (about $55), and their British COUNTERPARTS (thank you everyone) are more expensive here in the U.S., and harder to find. The Walking Koenig you saw in the book was made by Azrak-Hamway International. Azrak is the same company that made the Space: 1999 Moon Car (moon buggy with two Alphan astronauts), which I just missed out on for $80 still in the package. (This originally cost about $4 in 1976 or thereabouts.) Not sure how much the Walking Koenig goes for, though I understand it's pricey when found and seldom found. If you have any more information on that book I'd love to hear about it as I have never actually seen an Azrak-Hamway Walking Koenig. Can anyone else help Mike on the value of the commlock walkie-talkies? Corey? Jim? Anybody?
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 08:12:26 -0700 From: Michael Jerry Decker (mdecker@mail.orion4tag.org) Hi Mike. According to The Intergalactic Trading Company'slatest supplement a full set (66 cards) goes for $75. I think that this may be a little high, but it's probably somewhere in the ballpark. As for unopened packs, I have no idea. If anyone out there hasn't seen Intergalactic's catalog yet, you can get one by calling them at 407-831-8344. The Space: 1999 section is regretably small (6 items or so), but that's where you can get a Space :1999 ball cap or patch. Concerning the walking Koenig figure, I do remember it, but never owned one myself. I did get one the big Eagles and had (still have) lots of fun with it. And just to make everyone out there sick to your collective stomachs...I remember going into a Sears catalog outlet store two or three years after the large Eagle came out and saw literally a six foot stack of them marked for sale at only $5.00 apiece. Of course, I didn't get any. Who knew? Oh well, that's my personal Alpha story of shame. Anyone else have any good angst stories? Michael
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 15:01:16 -0700 From: "Phillip C. Merkel" (captphil@unix.asb4tag.com) Was at a science fiction convention here on LI this past weekend and saw a set of 1999 cards (The Donruss set) for twenty dollars. Is that cheap? It was just the cards no wrappers or box. I have the box the cards were sold out of, don't know if an item like that is worth anything.
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 18:39:23 -0700 From: Sfcafeguy@aol4tag.com Hi Phil: Everything's worth something to someone somewhere, it's just a matter of finding the buyer. Ask a dealer at your next convention what it's worth but tell him.her you aren't interested in selling, just curious (this way he/she has no incentive to lowball you). Is this the (cardboard?) display box that the sets were sold out of in stores, or the little (I believe red) plastic storage box for (I think) an individual set of cards (i.e., 66 cards fit in it). I know very little about collecting cards. The only thing I know about the 1999 cards is that if you have the card with the disfigured Dan Mateo from "The Troubled Spirit" you have a VERY collectible item (it was removed due to its graphic imagery shortly after the sets were released, and consequently, most "full" 1999 sets are really only 65 cards rather than 66). So again, I'm ignorant when it comes to cards. The cards themselves are easy, but I never know what kind of box they're talking about or what the wrappers are for. I also don't know if a "box of cards" is always a whole set or a portion of the set? Anybody care to enlighten me? And while I'm at it here everybody, this is my 327th e-mail message for list-related stuff since only (gasp!) April 13 -- only FOUR days ago! I am REALLY behind, so if I haven't gotten back to any of you it's only because I can't keep up. E-mails that require more than a quick response (or research on my part) are going to have to wait for the weekend. Sorry for the inconvenience, but didn't want you all to think I was ignoring you. And while I'm on the subject, thanks for the thought, but there's really no need to send me a CC copy on stuff you're sending to the list anyway. The end result is that I get two of the same thing -- though this doesn't mean I don't love hearing from you! :) BCC's are a different story, of course. Going back to the pile now, Robert
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 20:12:34 -0700 From: Claudia Coles (ccoles@dcez.dcez4tag.com) Subject: RE: Inexpensive Space: 1999 Trading Cards Hi gang, My twister (=twin sister) was able to get trading cards of Space: 1999 for about $15.00 a pack. She will try to get the information if she still has it and I will post it to the list. Toodaloo...baby! :) your fellow Alphan, Claudia Communications Officer - Moonbase Alpha (On-line)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 22:51:42 -0700 From: Sfcafeguy@aol4tag.com Isn't it nice to have our Communications Officer back? Now Yasko can go on that deep space probe to the far reaches of the galaxy after all. YASKO: Hal Oh? A dis ah moo bez alpa. Com een pleez. Robert
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 23:50:12 -0700 From: Allen Michael Retodo (ndver@well4tag.com) Subject: Re: :1999 cards how much? The set I saw of :1999 cards were in the red box with Helena, Koenig and Bergman on the front. It is unopened and still has the gum in the cards. I'm thinking of snaking it this Friday, but the only problem is that for being an anal collector, I do not want to open the pack itself. I want to leave it in its orginal package untouched. So if I do that, then I somewhat defeat the purpose of buying this item. Oh well, I could probably snag an opened set at Wonder Con this year. There is a picture of the walking Koenig in the 1996 Toy and Prices Guide. I saw it today at work. They have prices on other :1999 items as well, but not much. Mike
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 18:06:35 -0700 From: Claudia Coles (ccoles@dcez.dcez4tag.com) Subject: Re: Poor, Poor Yasko :( Thank you, IT'S GREAT TO BE BACK :) !...I love the Spring! Why does everyone pick on poor, poor Yasko :) ? I never minded her a bit. Actually, I felt she kinda fit in well with the "cultural tapestry" that was going on at Alpha. Eh, so she had a slight accent...but doesn't everyone when they learn to speak a new language? I feel that those in management noticed her abilities as an officer. They probably saw that these abilities far outweighed any stilted speech she might have had and assigned her to moonbase Alpha with the knowledge that practice with her peers would improve her diction and prosody. Who knows, in her native tongue she might speak very eloquently and could have possibly have been among the "Shakespearian" types within her own language. And maybe she spoke more foreign languages than just english. So let's give poor Yasko a chance :). At least she made the grade and became an officer on Moonbase Alpha. And the fact that she could even be *employed* using her "non-primary" language as her main form of communications...hey, my hats off to her [ I wish my spanish was good enough that I could work for a Spanish television outfit. And my french, forget it! (though I took it for 8 years, I can't speak it to save my hide...except for a few phrases like "parlez vous francais? No" < BIG :) > ! ] Well, I think I'm going to send my application form into the Yasko Fan Club! Anyone else :) ! respectfully submitted, your crawled-out-of-cyber-hibernation Alphan, Claudia Communications Officer - Moonbase Alpha [ On-line, of course :) ! ]
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 19:56:15 -0700 From: Sfcafeguy@aol4tag.com Subject: Re: Poor, Poor Yasko :( Hi Claudia: As you can see from my prior posts below, I'm a Yasko defender as well, but you've got to admit, it was rather ironic that they would have a COMMUNICATIONS officer who had trouble COMMUNICATING. I DO start laughing now every time I see that scene where she says: I'm sah ee...I cahn do annie beh-tuh. You did know she (Yasuko Nagazumi as "Yasko Nugami") was married to director Ray Austin didn't you? So much for hard WORK getting her her post on Alpha! :) Honestly, though, I always thought she was fine too, and with an interesting, pretty, face, but after people pointed this out about her acting, I have to admit, I do find it amusing. Old post follows.... Robert _____________________________________ Subj: Calling Dr. Russell... Date: 96-03-22 06:12:02 EST From: Sfcafeguy@aol4tag.com To: space-1999@quack.kfu.com (The Space-1999 Mailing List) [Prior material snipped for brevity, but it was in response to Cecilia defending Barbara Bain as Helena Russell.] I know how you feel, though. I (running for cover) LIKE Tony Anholt as Tony Verdeschi. And I know Yasko comes up for flaming with regularity. I don't get it. If she were playing an American-born and acclimated Japanese woman okay, she comes off as ridiculous. But does she come off so ridiculous if you think of her as a native born and raised Japanese woman who isn't speaking in her native Japanese language? I don't think so. [More courtesy snippage.] So you see, Cecilia, it's not just Dr. Russell who comes up for scrutiny. No one is immune, and I think it's generally offered in a healthy debate kind of way rather than reveling in negativity (except maybe for Yasko whom people seem to love to hate). >She [Helena Russell] was voted the most popular character, >closely followed by Alan Carter, in Power Star's survey. Was there a ranking for all of the characters, best to worst? If so, would you like to share it? Yeah, yeah, I know. Yasko's in dead last. ____________________________________________________ And then there was this in response to Ronald Dudley: >Which was two more [brains] than Yasko had. Maybe someone teleported >Yasko's into Regina. That poor Yasko. Will no one cut her some slack? It's not like she ran around from some Godzilla film going, "Oh! Duh Mostuh crush duh see tee! Ruh! Ruh foh yo libe!" Perspective! :)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 06:02:48 -0700 From: Ronald Dudley dudleyrd@expert.cc.purdue4tag.edu) You did know she had been on Gerry Anderson's "The Protectors" didn't you? Like Tony Ahnolt she was a "carryover". I've never seen it, but does anybody know how these 2's acting was on that show compared to their stints on 1999?
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 13:12:46 -0700 From: "Jeffrey C. Trowbridge" (102573.1364@CompuServe4tag.COM) Subject: HOW MANY CARDS IN SET? Now I'm confused - (easy to do!). Are there 65 or 66 cards in the 1976 Space:1999 card set? I have 66 in my set. Also, does anybody have information on cards produced by Geo, Bassett & Co., Ltd - out of Sheffield, England. I have several card sets (UFO, Thunderbirds & Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons) and I'm wondering what they are worth?
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 13:28:38 -0700 From: mpmoncey@aec1.apgea.army4tag.mil Subject: Re[2]: :1999 cards how much? I got all 66 cards in a nice plastic container. They are in excellent condition. Does this mean that my cards are worth $75, or are they worth less because they are not in their original packaging? How much are the Space: 1999 cards worth if they are opened but in good condition? (PS my mother got them at a flea market for about 10$). Michael Moncey Alphan #45
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 20:46:13 -0700 From: Sfcafeguy@aol4tag.com Subject: RE: HOW MANY CARDS IN SET? Jeff Trowbridge (102573.1364@compuserve.com) wonders: >Are there 65 or 66 cards in the 1976 Space:1999 >card set? I have 66 in my set. Whoops -- another blunder. According to the Gerry Anderson Memorabilia Guide, it's not the Donruss set that discontinued a card (though I have read elsewhere that it had), but was instead card #42 that was deleted after issue from the following: Cigarette Card Set: Geo. Bassett & Co. Ltd. UK (Barratt Division). 1975. Series of 50 colour photos. 35mm x 65mm. Note that card No. 42 (Dan Mateo - The Troubled Spirit) was removed from circulation shortly after initial issue due to the graphic nature of the image -- a close-up of the character's badly scarred face. Anyone who has card 42 from this set is now in possession of a very collectible item. The information for the Donruss set (American set) is as follows: [Trading] Card Set: Donruss, USA, 1976. Set of 66. Colour photos. Size 64mm x 89mm. Back of cards combine to create a large colour photograph of an Eagle. In addition to England and the United States, there were several sets of cards created in the Netherlands and a couple of sets in Italy. Sorry for the confusion. Now how about it, people? Not one response in all my mail about what the scoop on collecting trading cards is. Are they sold as full sets at one time or do you have to buy several sets to make a complete set? Were the boxes sold separately? What are the wrappers and what are they used for? Thanks, Robert Moonbase Alpha Director of Data and Research
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 21:45:37 -0700 From: LngbtmPrat@aol4tag.com Subject: Complete card set listings/& correction In regards to the posting about the pulled 1999 card for Dan Mateo - The Troubled Spirit...it was from the Geo. Bassett & Co. Ltd. UK card set. NOT THE US CARD SET...THE US SET HAS 66 CARDS (No Troubled Spirit card). Anyway, to clear up the confusion here is the definitive Space1999 Card set listings: 1) Lyons Maid UK, 1976. Set of 25. Colour-art ice lolly cards. 2) Geo. Bassett & Co. Ltd. UK. (Barratt Division), 1975. Series of 50 colour photos. 35mmx65mm. Card N.42 (Dan Mateo-Troubled Spirit) was removed from circulation shortly after initial release due to the graphic nature of the image - a close up of the character's badly scarred face. 3) Card & Album Set Year 1: Panini. Moderna. Italy, 1976. Series of 400 adhesive-backed cards all colour photographs. Size 49mmx69mm w/52 page album. 4) Card & Album Set Year 2: Panini. Moderna. Italy, 1979. Series of 400 adhesive-backed cards all colour photographs. Size 49mmx69mm w/52 page album. 5) Donruss. USA, 1976. Set of 66 colour photos. Size 64mmx89mm. Back of cards combine to create a large colour photograph of eagle. 6) Space: Alpha 1999 card set. Monty Gum. Netherlands, 1976. 64 cards 48mmx68mm. 7) Space: Cosmo:1999 card set. Netherlands, 1976. set of 64. Same as Monty gum set, but these are un-numbered. The back of the cards form a black & white photograph of 5 Moonbase Astronauts on the moon surface. 8) Sunicrust Bread Card Set. Sunicrust Bread. Australia, 1975. Set of 50 colour photos. 50mmx80mm. One card per 680g Sunny Wholemeal, 680g Sunny Toast or 680g Sunny White Sliced Bread. These are all the sets of Space1999 cards known to exsist.....enjoy and good hunting!! Cheers, Corey
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 04:47:05 -0700 From: jflmgcnp@capital44net.com (John J Fleming @ COLD NORTH Publishing) Subject: Re: Complete card set listings/& correction >4) Card & Album Set Year 2: >Panini. Moderna. Italy, 1979. Series of 400 adhesive-backed cards all colour >photographs. Size 49mmx69mm w/52 page album. I have two of these books, both incomplete, and with heavy wear, from 1980. Would anyone have any of these laying around?? Extras they didn't use to complete their book??? Anyone know where I can get the cards(stickers) that I am missing?? Any of our Italian Alphans know anything?? Is this company, "Figurine Panini", still in business, and how do I get in touch with them??
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 08:06:44 -0700 From: Michael Jerry Decker (mdecker@mail.orion4tag.org) Subject: Re: Re[2]: :1999 cards how much? Michael, Okay, here's the deal... I called Intergalactic this morning and they said that the set they had was a pulled set. This means that somewhere along the line they(or whoever they got the cards from) opened up pack after pack to finally get all the cards to make a set. As far as what they are worth, like I said, I think $75 is a little high. In the collectibles market, an item is only worth what someone will pay for it. I'll give you an example. Without naming names, I have seen the MPC Eagle kit go for as little as $25 and as much as $250....in the same magazine! There is no way to prove that an unopened box of cards has a full set in it, so generally it is more desireable to have an opened full set of cards. Now I think that a sealed, unopened box of cards would be worth more, I would much rather have a set that I could look at and display. So to answer your question, you certainly didn't get taken $10. A sealed pack of cards is technically worth more than an opened pack, but in regards to a set, a full set of picked cards is worth more than a handfull of unopened packs. After all, who knows if there's a full set in that handfull of unopened packs or not. I hope that pretty much answers your question. Michael
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 18:53:28 -0700 From: "Phillip C. Merkel" (captphil@unix.asb4tag.com) Subject: RE: HOW MANY CARDS IN SET? (Phil's wordy reply (Long!)) There are several ways to collect non sport trading cards. You could buy them one pack at a time from some comic book or candy store. I used to buy Star Wars cards from the Ice Cream man when he drove through my neighborhood. Helped me cut down on all the ice cream I was eating! The other way is to buy a box. A box is what all the packages of cards come in. It can be converted to a display box for a store. Sealed boxes of older sets I think are pretty valuable. Perhaps more valuable than a complete set of cards depending if there is a rare card in the series. A card from the Alien movie set was "banned" I think. It was the chestburster card. Or you can buy a complete set of cards from a dealer. Usually a comic book store or (In my area) a card store. Conventions also have dealers that sell complete sets of cards as well as mail order companies. I believe 1-800-TREKKER sells cards sets. Right now their selling Star Trek and Dr Who sets. Today card makers are also adding special "Rare" cards to a series. Special chrome or hologram cards. When I was at the convention this past weekend I bought a very pricey set of cards from the series Babylon 5. I have heard these sets have had a limited run. There were also several mini sets of Babylon 5 cards, a Gallery set, I hologram set and one other that I can't remember. The Space 1999 set I own I bought from a comic and card guy who used to hang out in a 7-11 I used to work at when I was in college. I didn't pay too much for it back then but it was a complete set, plus he gave me the display box (Its pretty beat up) and I think an original wrapper the cards came in. I like to buy non sport cards in complete sets. I don't try to chase down artificial rare cards unless I'm really into the subject of the cards, like B5. I don't mind looking for rare stuff on that show. The Star Trek sets (They are legion!) are very well done but are confusing to keep track of. I try to pay around $10-20 a set for those. I've also picked up a set of X-files cards. Lately I've bought a 1992 set of thunderbirds cards from someone on the list. Or one of the other lists. (Don't remember) Imported sets are nice, but sometimes pricey. My main rule of thumb, If your not going to enjoy looking at the cards, don't buy them. If you do, and go back to them for pleasure, or reference its a good sideline hobby to be into to suppliment the main fandom of a particular subject.
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 19:44:12 -0700 From: Karl Oestreich (oestrek@PEAK4tag.ORG) Subject: Re: HOW MANY CARDS IN SET? On Thu, 18 Apr 1996, wilson@eden.com wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Apr 1996, Jeffrey C. Trowbridge wrote: > > - out of Sheffield, England. I have several card sets (UFO, Thunderbirds & > > Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons) and I'm wondering what they are worth? > > Jeff > > Have you considered scanning these cards? They sound pretty rare and I > bet a lot of folks would love to look at them. :) Jeff and I were friends in his North Carolina days. I don't think he has a scanner but I do and also have the fore mentioned sets as well. If anybody is interested I could scan them for the archive. I would like to find out information on the British series of space:1999 cards. Supposedly there was one. This is not the Donruss set. The cards jeff is referring to are rather strange to us non UK types. They are only about an inch wide and 3 or 4 inches tall. Very unlike the standard american gum-card fare. I am wondering if the Brit set is like these. I also have several of the 66 card 1999 set with the crispy mateo picture. I was unware of the censoring of that picture. -Karl
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 19:47:49 -0700 From: Karl Oestreich (oestrek@peak4tag.org) Subject: RE: HOW MANY CARDS IN SET? > Now how about it, people? Not one response in all my mail about what the > scoop on collecting trading cards is. Are they sold as full sets at one time > or do you have to buy several sets to make a complete set? Were the boxes > sold separately? What are the wrappers and what are they used for? > > Robert In answer to your question... Both Trowbridge and I shucked many a pack of cards for a card dealer many years back. I think there were ten cards in a pack and 24 or 36 packs in a box and you could possibly make one or two complete sets with lots of doubles. Anybody who has collected gum cards will tell you it is just the luck of the draw. I think the cards also went for about 15 cents a pack. -KARL
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 21:29:09 -0700 From: Sfcafeguy@aol4tag.com Subject: Re: HOW MANY CARDS IN SET? Hi All: Since it's my blunder that started this rumor, let me clear it up right now. The "pulled" card is to the Geo. Bassett cigarette card set from England, produced in 1975. The card is #42 "Dan Mateo - The Troubled Spirit." The Donruss set from the United States (produced in 1976) is complete with 66 cards and never had any cards pulled. The proportions of all the cards shown in the Gerry Anderson Memorabelia Guide (yes, they show each and every card, though in black and white and tiny [except for the Italian Panini sets which are two books of 400 cards each and are just listed by names]) are about the same regardless of who makes them. I don't see any long skinny ones like Karl is describing in the Guide, but that doesn't mean they don't exist -- the Guide is missing some items; the Azrak-Hamway "Moon Car" (moon buggy) and "Walking Koenig" to name two, though they do show the Azrak-Hamway Eagle (which is very toyish looking). The Bassett cards are 35mm x 65mm. The Donruss cards are 64mm x 89mm. I was going to save this until later, but I discovered a great source today where you can get Space: 1999 Donruss complete 66-card sets for the AMAZING price of only $19 + $4 shipping (this same set is generally found for between $35 and $55). They also have some of the Bassett (UK) sets, as well as the Panini (Italian) sets and the Monty (Netherlands) sets. These non-U.S. sets go for $60 (or at least the Panini does). Some time between May 10 and May 15 I plan to reveal this source to everyone on the list. This gives everyone interested time to save their money and to compete on an even playing field (and for me to get everything I want before revealing my source -- that Palitoy Alan Carter at $250 broke my collecting bank for awhile!). Robert Inventor of the Happy Pig Emoticon --> :9) And the Sad Pig Emoticon --> :9(