Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 23:34:22 -0700
From: Ermes Ventisetti (monachus@xtreme4tag.it)
Subject: The Visitors 3 in USA?
Hello,
I am curious of know a thing: any year does us in Italy we have face
The Visitors 1 and Visitors 2.
In the USA do you have face also The Visitors 3? In affirmative
case,could anybody tell me the clousure?
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 01:18:48 -0700
From: Sfcafeguy@aol4tag.com
Ermes:
I am guessing that the series translated as "The Visitors" would be what we
in America were offered as simply "V" -- but it could also be "The Invaders"
perhaps. I'm not sure which one you mean. More information is needed,
Ermes.
If it's "The Invaders" the star would be Roy Thinnes. If not I'm guessing
you mean "V."
Is "The Visitors" in Italy about a group of alien invaders who are really
lizard-like alien creatures masquerading as humans, and who pull off their
fake human faces every so often? And their leader was named Diana (played by
Jane Badler of U.S. soap opera "One Life to Live" fame)?
If so, this was actually an interesting allegorical miniseries on television
modeled after the Nazi rise to power in Germany in pre-World War II Germany.
(The "V" in the title was actually an equivalent symbol to the Nazi
swastika.) Actually I think there were two mini-series of "V," followed by a
regular series.) The regular series of "V" was nowhere near the quality of
the miniseries and audience numbers dropped quickly.
Can't tell you how it ended or how many seasons it ran. I didn't stick
around for long to find out.
If you can confirm that what you're talking about is "V," "The Invaders," or
something else, perhaps someone else can answer the question.
Robert
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 05:45:31 -0700
From: Ronald Dudley (dudleyrd@expert.cc.purdue4tag.edu)
Subject: NBC TV series "V"
Other cast members:
One of the resistance leaders was Marc Singer, who did 2 low budget movies
as "The Beastmaster." One guy in the series was Lane Smith, currently
playing Perry White on "Lois and Clark". Another resistance fighter was
played by Michael Ironside, lately of "SeaQuest 2032." One of the lizards
towards the end of the show was played by Duncan Regehr, currently on DS9
as president of Bajor and Kira's love interest. One of the lizards who
was friendly to the humans was played by Robert Englund, aka "Freddy Kruger."
He is the biggest star the show produced.
> If so, this was actually an interesting allegorical miniseries on television
> modeled after the Nazi rise to power in Germany in pre-World War II Germany.
> (The "V" in the title was actually an equivalent symbol to the Nazi
> swastika.)
Hardly! The "V" was a symbol of the human resistance fighters, not the
evil lizard aliens!
> Can't tell you how it ended or how many seasons it ran. I didn't stick
> around for long to find out.
The ending/final-episode sucked big time!
Ronald
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 09:04:37 -0700
From: Sfcafeguy@aol4tag.com
Subject: "V"astika
Whoops! Ronald's right. I just reread my sentence and that's not what I
meant to say at all! That's what I get for checking and responding to mail
after 1:00 a.m. I meant equivalent in the sense of a symbol for the "good"
side carrying about equal significance for the good as the swastika did for
the Nazis. What's the word for equivalent/equal but opposite? Help me out
here, Marshall! :)
Robert
Still Fried in San Francisco
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 10:33:28 -0700
From: David Washke (daw9857@evt.fse.ca.boeing4tag.com)
Subject: slightly off topic - "V"
Additional information about "V", the two-part mini-series and
short lived series, can be found at the following web site:
http://www.enqueue.com:80/v/
Regarding the "swastika" parallel, the Visitor's symbol looked
something like this:
ooo ooooooooooo
ooooo ooooooooooooo
ooooo ooooooooooo
ooooo
ooooo
ooooo
ooooo
ooooo
ooo ooooo ooo
ooooo ooooo ooooo
ooo ooooo ooo
ooooo
ooooo
ooooo
ooooo
ooooo
ooooo
oooooooooo ooooo
oooooooooooo ooooo
oooooooooo ooo
Make your own comparisons!
Dave Washke
daw9857@evt.fse.ca.boeing.com
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:11:48 -0700
From: Mark Eidemiller (skylab@e-z4tag.net)
Subject: Re: slightly off topic - "V"
"V" was a good experiment. If they would've kept the "nazis v/s resistance"
angle in the television series, play it kinda like a contemporary version of
a WWII tv series (Rat Patrol, Combat, etc.) they could've kept it on
forever! But they screwed it up, and the series flopped.
My favorite line from the miniseries: in the second section (the sequel),
when the Visitor is fishing around behind a dumpster, high on drugs, looking
for the mouse. After he finds and eats the mouse, his supervisor approaches
him and asks him what he is doing. As he grins drunkenly, his line:
"Mousie!" Love it!
And I'll check out that web site. Sounds interesting.
OK, that's it. Back to Alpha....
In His Service,
Mark Eidemiller
skylab@e-z.net
(The Doormat) http://www.e-z.net/~skylab/index.html
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 17:58:09 -0700
From: jflmgcnp@capital44net.com (John J Fleming @ COLD NORTH Publishing)
Subject: Re: "V"astika - OFF TOPIC
>the Nazis. What's the word for equivalent/equal but opposite? Help me out
>here, Marshall! :)
Uhmm...lets try 'counterpart'???
As far as the 'Visitor' symbol goes, it does resemble a swastika. It
was a couple of dots and an oval or two. I just saw a picture, but can't
remember where. It looks like it was modeled after a swastika. It was red on
black, and they wore them on armbands too......
|_o
o |
Later...
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 19:43:10 -0700
From: Claudia Coles (coles@dcez.dcez4tag.com)
Subject: Jane Badler...Where!??? [Off-Topic]
I didn't know she played in a soap opera? She was my favorite female
protagonist on the New Mission: Impossible series done in the early
nineties. Unfortunately, it seems that alot of other New M:I stars are
going that route: Thaad Phenglis who played Nicholas Black in the New M:I
series is also playing in a soap opera...*sigh* how discouraging and a
waste of talent [ooops, sorry all you soap opera fans, I don't mean to
offend...it's just that I used to watch soaps when I was a kid and it's
something I've grown out of after I got old enough to analyze *how* one is
really put together. But I'll stop here unless further dicussion is
solicited :) ]
Oh well, back to cyber-hibernation and e-mail sifting...but at least I'm
getting caught up though...I'm already up to last Monday's mail :)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 21:12:05 -0700
From: Claudia Coles (ccoles@dcez.dcez4tag.com)
Subject: Surfacing...Hopefully For Good :)
I DID IT...I GOT THROUGH ALL MY MAIL :)...it's Spring again and I have
come out of my cyber-hibernation! Look at all the pretty flowers and
buds on the trees. And look at all the cute little baby birds, squirrels,
field mice, mosquitos, gnats...ugh..I forgot about those :(.
I'll try to do my best to keep *awake* from now on, but with my laptop
being down, it will take some doing. I can't check my mail at work like I
usually do during the day, so please bear with me if you write to me and
it takes me a little time to respond.
Well, it's good to breathe fresh air again...the air in that cave was
getting quite stagnant. See you all later. Time for Spring! :)
your fellow Alphan,
Claudia
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 21:20:02 -0700
From: Sfcafeguy@aol4tag.com
Subject: Re: Jane Badler...Where!??? [Off-Topic]
Hi Claudia (and possible "V" fans [or the mildly curious]):
Though I interned on "The Bold and the Beautiful" and my former New York
housemate is a director on "Another World," I would tend to agree with you on
the state of soaps in America. While "General Hospital"'s Luke and Laura
story in the late 1970s was the pinnacle of the soaps (Elizabeth Taylor even
guest starred for a few weeks!), it was also the beginning of the end as they
have (generally) gotten more and more shallow and derivative and formulaic
and repetitive ever since. It's interesting to realize I got "into" "General
Hospital" right after getting forcibly unplugged from "Space: 1999" in 1977
-- my God, nearly 20 years ago!
Still, I've had fun playing in both "Another World's" Bay City, and "B&B"'s
stylized L.A. (great sets to play on and great people, but the real L.A. is
NOTHING like the sylized version you see in "B&B," people, it's a PIT, best
avoided at all cost [so see you all there for the convention in 1999!]).
:)
I respect these people for what they accomplish (a one-half or one hour
episode) in a single day, and sometimes individual storylines or individual
scenes break out and are quite moving, but they are seldom thought provoking
or even enlightening.
But as you say, Claudia, tastes evolve, and I moved on long ago.
Speaking of "Thaad" Penghlis (it's actually Thaao), he, along with Leanne
Hunley (who did a "Battlestar Galactica" episode once, followed by a year as
Adam's wife ["Dana"] on "Dynasty") were just IT for me while going to
college. He was a dashing count who lived in a penthouse and she [besides
being HEAVEN and my replacement for Catherine Schell] was his LOVELY wife,
who was sneaky but in a way that she couldn't help -- very endearing since
she was so lovely and didn't really want to be bad but was out of insecurity.
God they were just so glamorous together -- I've still got highlights of
episodes on tape somewhere, from the "Salem Stalker" sequence through to just
about the end when Thaao left the series. And though I'm buying 1999 stuff
these days, back then I was into black laquer furniture because the penthouse
had it, and I even had the same dinner plates! (Did I just write that to you
all? What a GEEK I am!)
And rather than RESORT to soaps, Thaao started there, starring on "Days of
Our Lives" as Count Antony DiMera (the original spelling was DiMira but they
changed it for some reason [is Freddie producing soaps now?]).
After leaving "Days" in a dispute (he was playing two characters but getting
paid for only one), Thaao got the role on the new Mission: Impossible series.
After that was cancelled, Thaao returned to "Days," but unfortunately, Leann
Hunley ("Anna DiMera") didn't, and the old chemistry was gone. I believe
"Days" just recently killed Tony off, so Thaao's available for other jobs
once again.
As for Jane Badler, for YEARS she played Melinda, the deranged sister of
"Dorian Lord" on "One Life to Live." Since "V" I have only seen her in a
couple of episodes of "Mission: Impossible" (which never really did much for
me), as well as a couple of commercials.
Okay, so you're probably wondering why I'm writing this on the "Space: 1999"
list.
ANSWER: Just want you all to know what a GOOF you're dealing with here! :)
Robert
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 05:55:50 -0700
From: "Ellen Lindow (LIS)" (lindow@luna.cas.usf4tag.edu)
Subject: Re: Jane Badler...Where!??? [Off-Topic]
Although I've given up watching soaps, my mother-in-law has worn out 2
vcr's taping them daily and watching them in the evening. She has always
watched "Days of Our Lives" which is the soap Thaad is in. He plays a
character named Tony and was on the show in the early 80's prior to MI,
was sent away for a while while he did MI, then returned after MI as the
same character. He's a bad guy you love to hate, sort of like JR on
Dallas. He recently found out he had a terminal illness, then arranged
his death to look like a murder and framed his estranged wife's new
boyfriend for the murder. I expect he'll pop up in movies again. He's
nice to look at, no matter what he's doing.
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 06:42:42 -0700
From: GLEN_MCBRIDE@BayNet44works.com (Glen McBride)
Subject: Jane Badler
Yes, Jane Badler was indeed in "V" and M:I. From memory I think she married an
Aussie and now lives in Queensland (I think)
hasta la vista baby!
Glen
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 11:00:21 -0700
From: Ronald Dudley (dudleyrd@expert.cc.purdue4tag.edu)
Jane Badler made a TV pilot with 1999's Barry Morse!
I saw it in 1985. It was called "The Covenant" Jane played a
witch, a leader of a rich satan-worshipping family. It was sort of a
nighttime soap, like "Dynasty". Barry played the leader of their
opponents, sort of like an exorcist, or a witch hunter. NBC didn't
pick it up as a series though. Barry was great, as usual.
Here's some bio info on Jane from the Internet Movie Database:
(http://www.msstate.edu/M/person-exact?name=Jane+Badler)
Date of birth (location)
31 December 1953, Brooklyn, NY
Films/TV roles:
1.Fine Gold (1990) (TV) .... Julia
2.Easy Kill (1989)
3.Under the Gun (1989) .... Sandy Torrence
4."Highwayman, The" (1988) .... Tania Winthrop
5."Mission: Impossible" (1988) .... Shannon Reed (1989-1990)
6.Lluvia de Otono (1988) .... Lucia
7.Penalty Phase (1986) (TV) .... Katie Pinter
8.Covenant (1985) (TV)
9."V" (1984) .... Diana
10."V: The Final Battle" (1984) (mini) .... Diana
11."V" (1983) (mini) .... Diana
12.First Time, The (1983) .... Karen
... aka Doin' It (1983)
13."Falcon Crest" .... Meredith Braxton (1986-1987)
14.Terror Among Us (1981) (TV)
15."One Life to Live" .... Melinda Cramer
16."Doctors, The"
Ronald
"I'll be back."
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 22:19:34 -0700
From: Sfcafeguy@aol4tag.com
Subject: OFF TOPIC: Jane Badler on Falcon Crest?
Jane Badler was on "Falcon Crest"?
I was on "Falcon Crest" (vineyard worker for Cliff Robertson [Dr. Michael
Ranson]) and I never knew that.
Did I tell you "Falcon Crest" followed on the heels of my disenchantment with
"Days of Our Lives" (after Tony and Anna left)? "Falcon Crest"'s writing and
some of its acting was truly awful, but what a pretty show to look at. I
STILL find myself humming the theme song nearly every time I drive over the
Golden Gate Bridge.
The winery and house are actually known as Spring Mountain Vineyards and
Winery, and they are located in St. Helena, California, in the Napa Valley.
I met the owners, Michael and Susan Robbins, while editing my college paper
(gave them a center spread article which I just read the other day and it's
STILL damn well written over ten years later), and that's how I ended up as
an extra on the show. Recently Michael and Susan sold the house and winery,
and I'm not sure if the new owners are scheduling tours as yet, but if you
ever get the chance to go, it's well worth your time.
For myself, I have REALLY happy memories of being given the run of the place
from the top of the towers (both winery and house) to the wine cellar (house)
and wine cave (winery). This was a fabulous experience that I'll be grateful
for for the rest of my life, as I'm also an architecture freak and the detail
in that place is fantastic.
Robert
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 07:07:00 -0700
From: Boris Ammerlaan (MB330@hi.ft.hse4tag.nl)
Subject: OFF TOPIC - Jane Badler
> Yes, Jane Badler was indeed in "V" and M:I. From memory I think she married an
> Aussie and now lives in Queensland (I think)
His name was Michael. I'll look up his last name if anyone's interested
(still have the article, although I chopped it up to fit on A4:-( )
I'll check out the V page sometime next week. Hopefully, it's the one by
Jason. I recently re-tried the original URL, but it didn't work.
She was in The Covenant? I am goint to KILL the people who make my TV guide
(for only mentioning Morse) and, more importantly, my grandfather (for making
me _miss_ it).
Ah well, enough ramblings...