Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 13:41:49 -0800
From: Ronald Dudley (dudleyrd@expert.cc.purdue4tag.edu)
Saw the SciFi Channel's butchered version of "Guardian of Piri" today.
Did anyone notice the stylistic similarity between the Guardian of Piri
and the Ultra Monster? Both can materialize out of thin air. Both have
this bright glowing eye-like thing in the middle, and this other bright
glowing mouth/doorway at the base. Both are sort of shapeless. The
Guardian is covered with those white spheres, and the Ultra Monster is
covered with tentacles. Their roles in their respective stories are also
similar. The Ultra Monster put its victims in a trance before it ate them.
The Guardian had the Alphans in a trance as it was going to make them
"perfect" (kill them). Neither the Guardian nor the Ultra Monster can be
considered to be alive. Both stories featured abandoned, ghost space ships.
And of course, both screenplays are credited to Christopher Penfold.
It is it artistry, or is it self-plagarism?
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:25:03 -0800
From: mpmoncey@aec1.apgea.army4tag.mil
Subject: Re: Guardian of Piri
>Did anyone who watched this episode on Sci-Fi Channel yesterday
>notice that they showed Alan's "She's a Marie Celeste" scene twice?
>Amardeep
I also noticed this "deja vu" of showing that scene twice. It could
be sloppy editing by the Sci-Fi Channel people.
Michael Moncey
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:08:05 -0800
From: Claudia Coles (ccoles@dcez.dcez4tag.com)
Subject: Re: What is a "Marie Celeste" anyway :) ?
Actually Amardeep, there are a couple of episodes where they repeat
scenes like that. There is one in the episode where a "cowboy", Maya, and
others go down to a planet that is inhabited by rocks that must drink
water to survive (sorry folks, can't think of the name right now - I'm at
work).
But I have a question - what is a Marie Celeste? I never wuite knew what
that was.
Thanks alot.
yfA,
Claudia
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:29:04 -0800
From: Gary Girouard (GGirouard@ri44hosp.edu)
Subject: Re: What is a "Marie Celeste" anyway :) ? -Reply -Reply
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i think the episode was 'all that glisters' gary.... with the texas cowboy
mineral officer
>>> Patricia Sokol 03/05/96 03:22pm >>>
Claudia - A"Marie Celeste" is a ghost ship, I think, although I can't
remember if the original Marie Celeste is real or ficticious.
And, the wonderful rock episode was "All That Glitter."
-PTS
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:30:49 -0800
From: quick@itw4tag.com (Karen Quick)
Subject: Marie Celeste
The Marie Celeste was a schooner that was found adrift under unexplained circumstances.
To this day no one knows why her crew abandoned her in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.
Although some believe fear of spontanious combustion of fumes from the
whiskey the ship was carrying cause the crew to offf onto long boat while
the hold was ventilated. But really... everybody got off? And no one
remember to tie a rope to the Mary Celeste?
Who knows. Its all part of the mystery of the Mary Celeste.
Karen
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:28:38 -0800
From: Ronald Dudley (dudleyrd@expert.cc.purdue4tag.edu)
Regarding "Ouma" and "Mary Celeste":
In "Breakaway", when Koenig enters Main Mission for the first time as
commander, several staffers introduce themselves to him, including
Benjamin Ouma and Tanya Alexander.
The Scifi Channel cut this scene when it showed "Breakaway" in January.
Space 1999 episodes were ~52 minutes long, but Scifi butchers them down
to ~45 minutes, so as to show the same commercials twice as many times.
Scifi Channel also breaks for commercials at points different from the
ones intended by the producers at ITC. The result is that Barry Gray's
great music is often chopped out, as the places where there should have
been a commercial break are instead spliced together, while at other points
in the story, commercial breaks are wedged into places where they never
were before. They got sloppy with their butchering job in "Guardian of Piri",
as many people noticed, when they showed Alan saying the same thing twice.
To be fair, Scifi Channel did show "Breakaway" in its entirety in October
for "Pilot Playhouse", although they spread its 52 minutes of story out
over about 70 minutes.
I guess this is the price we are charged for showing a 22 yeard old show on
such a new (and struggling?) cable network.
An interesting trivia list might be a catalog of every scene that gets cut by
syndicators or the Scifi Channel. I saw something like this once in a book
on Star Trek. There is also an internet site where you can find every
cut to early episodes of Bevis & Butthead, mostly to revove references to
their pyromania and smoking.
Ronald Dudley
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:35:46 -0800
From: Sfcafeguy@aol4tag.com
Subject: Re: No Subject
>In "Breakaway", when Koenig enters Main Mission for the first time as
>commander, several staffers introduce themselves to him, including
>Benjamin Ouma and Tanya Alexander.
Hi Dudley:
Actually it's Tanya (Tania) Alexandria, I believe (the Greta Garbo
lookalike).
Anyone know for sure? She sure was pretty/classy.
Robert
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:15:21 -0800
From: gwr@easy44net.co.uk (Gareth Randall)
Subject: Re: Ouma and Tanya
>In "Breakaway", when Koenig enters Main Mission for the first time as
>commander, several staffers introduce themselves to him, including
>Benjamin Ouma and Tanya Alexander.
Sorry to be pedantic, but they don't *introduce* themselves - it's clear
that they already know Koenig, and he knows them, presumably from his
previous stint as Commander.
Gareth
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:59:01 -0800
From: Gary Girouard (GGirouard@ri44hosp.edu)
In the Breakaway Episode, it was Paul that said Welcome back
Commander, and Tanya was the one who introduced herself to Koenig,
Gary
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:52:33 -0800
From: dwelle@online.dct4tag.com (David Welle)
Subject: Re: Guardian of Piri
>In a message dated 96-03-04 11:21:22 EST, Amardeep_Chana@xn.xerox.com writes:
>
>>Did anyone who watched this episode on Sci-Fi Channel yesterday notice
>> that they showed Alan's "She's a Marie Celeste" scene twice?
>
>Sure did. The only thing I could figure was that it served to smooth over an
>edit that left a scene out.
>
>Very sloppy.
>
>Mike
>
>
It's been that way since the first showing of the episode on SFC (1992).
Is it just my imagination, or did it appear Alan was in two different places
(pilot module and passenger module)? If so, it could be they did takes in
two locations, meaning to decide which one to discard--only they (the film
editors back in 1974) forgot to discard one. Probably not, but I'll have to
check it on tape sometime.
----David Welle
dwelle@online.dct.com
http://www.dct.com/~dwelle/s19.html
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 23:06:33 -0800
From: dwelle@online.dct4tag.com (David Welle)
Subject: Guardian of Piri--A "Brief" History?
[NOTE: Contents in a separate webpage]
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 06:10:02 -0800
From: Amardeep_Chana@xn.xerox4tag.com (Chana,Amardeep)
Subject: Re: Guardian of Piri
>Is it just my imagination, or did it appear Alan was in two different places
>(pilot module and passenger module)? If so, it could be they did takes in
>two locations, meaning to decide which one to discard--only they (the film
>editors back in 1974) forgot to discard one. Probably not, but I'll have to
>check it on tape sometime.
>
> ----David Welle
You know, I noticed that as well. But the fact that he repeated the
same lines distracted me from really thinking about where he was
standing the second time! Interesting that Sci-Fi must have their
hands on _more_ footage than was in an original intact episode.
Amardeep
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:03:43 -0800
From: Sfcafeguy@aol4tag.com
Subject: Tanya
Mystery solved.
It is, according to some photocopied articles I just received from Ggreg:
Tanya Alexander
played by Suzanne Roquette
I was wrong.
Robert
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 10:31:40 -0800
From: Claudia Coles (ccoles@dcez.dcez4tag.com)
Subject: David's Pirian Historical Essay -- A+ :)
Hello David,
First, I'd just like to express my appreciation for you taking out the
time to expound on the your intrpretation of the history of Piri. It was
quite an enjoyable essay and I hope that others will read it as well when
they get the time. It is well worth it! :)
Secondly, I'd like to know...did you compose the entire essay *on-line* :)
? If you did, I must say you were very brave. My first attempt at
responding to your post was completely wiped out when I had a system crash
and of course lost everything. I'm now typing my response to you in
Windows "Awrite" program and will save it and upload it as an ASCII file
when I finish. No need to risk a crash the second time around :).
(ommission)
> But with everyone inside the city, including a few people who had been
> forced there against their will, the people got to be like "/EEekoi/ in a
> microbox", as the old saying went, and ordered the Guardian to come up with
> a solution to this and "all other related problems, so we can be happy, and
> provided for, and go about higher things" and when solutions were found, to
> "automatically administer them," since the Pirians themselves had "more
> important things to do." The Guardian soon stated that it had a solution,
> and as it had done lately, didn't want to bother the peace of the people of
> Piri with any messy details on what the solutions were. But being the
> helpful machine it was, it offered to explain, but the few administrators
> left simply said, we know that the people want the Peace of Piri. However
> that can be accomplished, just do it, we've got more important things to do.
> Create the Peace of Piri for us."
(ommission)
...and one day, the Pirians woke up and asked, "now, what were those
'higher', more important things that we should be doing?" Basically, they
even forgot what they were supposed to be doing--but that is because the
Guardian had already done it for them. There was nothing to *remind* them
of what they were "really" supposed to be doing because it had already
*been* done. The all too-efficient Guardian took care of those very tasks
which the Pirians thought they had reserved for themselves. And since they
were done already, what was left for them to do?
(ommission)
> Much of science fiction literature and media concerns
> itself with radical "end-time" possibilities, and they are fascinating for
> how they may or may not be in our own future. That is my only intent here,
> so don't flame me over any political views you may see here, as I only
> listed a number of often-conflicting social forces that are commonly
> discussed in science fiction /and/ life, and looked at how some or all of
> them /could/ have served as an historical background to the insanely dead
> Peace of Piri the Alphans found in that one episode of /Space: 1999/.
(ommission)
Well, I've never seen any "political" flames on the list before...at least
not yet :).
> I suppose I could have posted it on my little S19 web page
You have a web page!? Say, you never told us >(. Can you please post it
to the list so we can check it out? Thanks. :)
Well, I have to say again that I really enjoyed your expository essay on
the history of Piri. Keep the posts comin' and see ya later.
respectfully submitted,
your fellow Alphan,
Claudia
Communications Officer
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 12:06:31 -0800
From: Chanathip Trivuth (chanatip@lox44info.co.th)
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=B5=CD=BA=3A_David=27s_Pirian_Historical_Essay_?=
Hi Claudia,
I've found that David's Web Page is at:
http://www.dct.com/~dwelle/s19.html
Enjoy,
Chanathip Trivuth
System Engineer - Moonbase Alpha
chanatip@loxinfo.co.th