Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 13:39:48 -0700 From: Van A Plexico (email@example.com) Subject: Hawks I remember hearing somewhere, a long time ago (when I was fascinated by the Hawks), that they were originally designed to fight the UFOs from that series, as the two shows supposedly are in the same "universe." Is this accurate? I think I read it in Starlog... Supposedly, they were upgrades of the SHADO interceptors (I've never seen that show, but I do remember the toys!) --Van
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 19:25:54 -0700 From: Sfcafeguy@aol4tag.com Hi Van: I have never heard such a thing and I don't believe it. From everything I've read, what became Moonbase Alpha was designed and built for the planned second season of UFO but when UFO 2 was left behind in favor of developing a new space-based (versus Earth- and moon-based) series (Space: 1999) nobody to my knowledge ever proposed that they existed in one another's universe. UFO was forgotten about in favor of the new series that eventually became known as Space: 1999. Also, I remember reading that the Hawks were designed to look similar to the Eagles (the command module anyway), and "War Games," the episode in which the Hawks appear, comes rather late in the first season of Space: 1999, so I think it unlikely that they were planned for UFO, though they may have been developed from an old sketch that was done for UFO and never used. Interestingly some of the foreign model boxes use UFO as part of the logo, like UFO Eagle, etc., but I think this was done for name recognition in their various markets, rather than something Gerry Anderson and friends set out to do or encouraged. Robert
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 06:18:36 -0700 From: David Weis (firstname.lastname@example.org) I know nothing about UFO, but judging from the title, it involved life from another planet. Recall that in "Breakaway" the Meta probe was receiving signals from planet Meta that suggested intelligent life. I specifically recall Simmonds making a big deal out of this. From this, I think it's safe to conclude that in the Space 1999 universe, no information about extraterestrials had reached earth prior to Sept. 13, 1999. From all of this we can conclude that UFO and Space 1999 take place in different universes.
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 13:55:03 -0700 From: Van A Plexico (email@example.com) No--I didn't make this clear enough. The Hawks were supposedly EARTH interceptors vs. the UFO attackers. Taking the place of the older SHADO interceptors. That is why the Alphans recognized them--the Wargames aliens pulled the Hawks out of their memories, from Earth. Just like they pulled the "bomber" out of Alpha Child memories. I know I read that somewhere but I still can't remember where. --Van
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 07:23:01 -0700 From: "Ellen Lindow (LIS)" (firstname.lastname@example.org) Subject: UFO and 1999 in the same universe? I think they were in the same universe. There was just some air of sameness about them. I loved UFO way before Space 1999 ever aired. All the action in UFO was way way beyond top secret. If you knew something you shouldn't they gave you this amnesia drug, so you forgot it. The aliens weren't anti-matter, so they didn't come from Meta, but they were mean nasties who were here to collect body parts. (I don't know why their own weren't good enought, ask the Voyager crew who seemed to run into a similar problem last season.) You always got the feeling that somewhere just over the horizon from Alpha was the SHADO base waiting to be discovered. The technology was similar. SID, UFO's computer was very similar in design to Eagles, and the interceptors could have been modified command modules. Hmm, I feel a crossover fan fiction story coming on. I'll have to think about this some more.
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 08:11:19 -0700 From: "Gina L. Prosch" (email@example.com) You're right Ellen. And Straker and Koenig both have similar styles of command. As for the two bases (Shado and Alpha), perhaps they are connected underground? And while we're momentarily on the subject of UFO --why did those moon girls have purple hair? Are they supposed to be alien? Or is that just the style in 1980, seven years before the atomic war? Richie Prosch
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 19:02:16 -0700 From: PatriEmb@aol4tag.com Subject: Re: UFO and 1999 in the same universe? Don't forget the grey "catsuits" the mission controllers wore!!
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 08:24:58 -0700 From: Amardeep_Chana@xn.xerox4tag.com (Chana,Amardeep) The purple wigs were a part of the moonbase uniform. I'm not sure why only the women's uniforms, but in my opinion they looked really good in purple (especially Lt. Ellis: hubba hubba). I would argue that SPACE: 1999 and UFO were not in the same universe because in UFO they actually had successful deep space missions... (i.e. Close Up). Amardeep
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 08:41:14 -0700 From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Marshall Poindexter) Subject: Re: Purple hair in UFO Ironically, as those of you familiar with the New Wave/Punk movement of the late 1970s/early 1980s would know, purple hair WAS popular about 1980. Yeah, it wasn't necessarily mainstream, but these gals with the purple hair in UFO may simply have been accurately reflecting the times (at least in a coiffed sense).
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 08:55:15 -0700 From: David Weis (email@example.com) Subject: Re: UFO and 1999 in the same universe? On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, Ellen Lindow (LIS) wrote: > The > aliens weren't anti-matter, so they didn't come from Meta, but they were > mean nasties who were here to collect body parts. I assume that when you mention anti-matter that you are referring the episode "Matter of Life and Death" in which Lee Russell is discovered. I haven't seen this episode in a long, long time, but I was not aware that the anti-matter planet was Meta. Can someone clear this up?
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:46:37 -0700 From: "Ellen Lindow (LIS)"
Subject: Meta and antimatter That was inference on my part. Matter of Life and Death follows Breakaway in the novelizations and the tech manual. However, the planet name in MoL&D is not Meta, and those funky wave signals from Breakaway were never mentioned. The series was not continual, and never discussed previous episodes or events in them, (same with classic Trek, UFO, and this season's Sliders, which occaisionally drives me nuts) I believe in the novelizations Tubb does segue from one episode to another by mentioning a name change to "Terra Nova". Also, if they were headed in the direction of Meta in the first episode and have already reached a planet in the second episode, it seems reasonable that it's the same planet, unless they just didn't talk about what they found on Meta. (Maybe they took some of that amnesia drug from UFO) :)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:55:56 -0700 From: Gary Girouard (GGirouard@ri44hosp.edu) Subject: Meta and antimatter -Reply the planets name was terra nova, new earth.... gary
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 13:46:23 -0700 From: LOG ME ON AND WATCH ME GO (boomershine@ACAVAX.LYNCH44BURG.EDU) Subject: Meta/Terra Nova discussion I think maybe Meta got bypassed entirely as the Moon left the solar system. Going to Meta might have been less dicey than evacuating and returning immediately to Earth after the Moon blasted out of orbit, but still not a wise chance to take... E.C.Tubb's novelization notwithstanding...
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 13:18:05 -0700 From: firstname.lastname@example.org (mr. wonderful) Subject: Re: Meta and antimatter >The series was not continual, and never discussed >previous episodes or events in them, (same with classic Trek, Trek did. -- Jon "Mr. Wonderful" Stadter
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 13:37:59 -0700 From: Ronald Dudley
On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, Ellen Lindow writes > , , The series was not continual, and never discussed > previous episodes or events in them, , , , , , Not quite "never". Freddy did force Year2 to have episodes with things that were the basis of a later episodes. "Rules of Luton" mentioned the Psychons who left their Planet, and "Dorzak" was about one such person. "The Exiles" mentioned how Koenig had to abandon some space-disease infected scientists to die, and in "Lambda Factor" Koenig had guilty halucinations of them. There might be really vague things in common, like when Koenig tells Taybor that they have been through spacewarps, suggesting "Taybor" takes place after "Space Warp". But otherwise, not only did 1999's episodes not discuss previous episodes, but they sometimes seemed in conflict with eachother. The waste dumps in "Bringers of Wonder" look very different from those in "Seance Spectre". "Seance" is dated after "BoW" by Helena's (often absurd) log dates, yet Koenig tries his hardest to blow them up in "Seance", but to not let them be blown up in "BoW". So which is it? Would blowing up the dumps would destroy the alphans, or not? Maya fights spacesuited alphans out on the lunar surface in "Space Warp" and "BoW" by turning into a different creature in each episode! There was a missed opportunity for some story continuity. Her clorine breathing creatures in "A B Crysalis" and "Beta Cloud" were also unalike. Fred must have made a rule that no rubber monster should be reused without changes. Koenig's caution in accepting the neutrino signals from earth in the early episode "Journey to Where" is very difficult to reconcile with how everyone accepts the rescuers in the Superswift in the later episode "BoW". It's almost as if the writer of "JtW" was trying to sabotage the credibility of "BoW" when he had Koenig put Logan to the test of knowledge about the 1998 World Series and Yuri Gagarin's (very real) wife. Yet "JtW" comes before "BoW" in the Tech Notebook. Michael Butterworth did a better job by putting it in the last of the novelizations. How to reconcile Year1 episodes into a sensible order can be a really tough task. "Black Sun" supposedly comes before "Earthbound", so why didn't Simmons demand to be on the escape Eagle in "Black Sun" like he demanded to be on Zandor's ship in "Earthbound"? "Earthbound" makes better sense before "Black Sun", yet comes after in the Tech Notebook. Inspite of the Year2 log dates, not only was it not continual, it was often incoherent. Ronald PS. the email@example.com (mr. wonderful) is correct: Original Trek did get continual: Harry Mudd showed up twice, Klingon Captain Koloth invoked the Organia treaty to get his men shore leave on the tribble infested space station, and Spock referred to using mind melding trick in the episode about the Andromedans in a manner to escape inprisonment just like he did from the planet in a computer simulated war with another planet. There were probably others too.
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 14:06:33 -0700 From: LOG ME ON AND WATCH ME GO (boomershine@ACAVAX.LYNCH44BURG.EDU) Subject: Star Trek original series continuity Ah, short diversion off the beaten path here... The original Star Trek episode "By Any Other Name", with the Kelvan invaders from the Andromeda galaxy, actually pays homage at least twice to other Star Trek episodes: "Where No Man Has Gone Before", as they attempt to cross the 'Great Barrier' a second time, and "A Taste of Armageddon" when Spock uses his 'mind touch' to compromise the guard. Carol: I suppose we could put a Freddie Freiberger character in the computer game, and shove HIM in the disintegrator booth... And now, here I have concocted the first two ideas for the first "Space: 1999: The Customizable Card Game" card; please feel free to let me know what you think... or submit your own ideas... (from the Alien player's set) (from the Alphan player's set) WILD CARD (Common) PERSONNEL CARD EAGLE MALFUNCTION COMMANDER JOHN KOENIG (Picture of crashing Eagle) (Picture of Cmdr. Koenig) "We're losing control!" "Vaan! I'm not an animal, I'm a man!" - Alan Carter - John Koenig Plays on any Alphan player's Eagle SKILLS: COMMAND as it begins to move. Unless two PILOTING pilots are aboard, the Eagle crashes. MARKSMANSHIP If no pilots are on board, the Eagle FENCING is destroyed, with all aboard. This DIPLOMACY card also works on Mark IX Hawks. POWER: 6 Talk at you later! - John Boomershine
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:32:37 -0700 From: "Ellen Lindow (LIS)" (firstname.lastname@example.org) Subject: Re: UFO and 1999 in the same universe? > You're right Ellen. And Straker and Koenig both have similar styles of > command. Yes, they did, You almost got the feeling that Straker could have had a hand in training, or at least influencing Koenig. > And while we're momentarily on the subject of UFO --why did those moon > girls have purple hair? They were purple wigs, when any of the women from moonbase showed up at SHADO headquarters they had regular hair. One episode even showed someone going off duty and taking the wig off when she reached her quarters. They never explained why they were worn. Some possible explanations are: 1) Make everyone look alike and fool the aliens 2) Some sort of radiation screen/telepathic sheild used in the command center which was the only part of the base unshielded. 3) A sophisticated computer link feeding data directly into the brain.
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:49:29 -0700 From: Gary Girouard (GGirouard@ri44hosp.edu) ** High Priority ** could it be also that the women were working in such a vital area that it prevented the ufo from homing in on life froms? in such a critical area as a control center, could be a lifeform sheild
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 14:40:41 -0700 From: email@example.com (Alan Girton) Subject: RE: UFO and 1999 in the same universe? I remember reading on the UFO web page (sorry, can't remember the = address) that Sylvia Anderson used the wigs because she believed wigs = would be as much a part of a uniform as the clothing (ie powdered wigs = of the 1600 and 1700s).
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 14:51:53 -0700 From: Joseph Theotime Chiasson
Subject: Re: UFO and 1999 in the same universe? Okay, since this is likely my last reply on this account, here it goes. You can relegate this to the rumour file, because I can't find the article to go with it, but I suspect it's from an early Starlog issue. Aeons ago, while disco was in its dying throes, I read about a new program coming on tv, put out by the guys who brought you UFO, Thunderbirds, etc. This series was initially a sequel to UFO, based 20 years later or so on an expanded moonbase, but because of major revisions in storyline and philosophy, is no longer had that particular tie. The series was to be called Space 1999. ( the series we've come to love so well) As I said, unless you can find the article, you can file this under rumour. I always had an ambiguous attitude towards this series. The ships were the strongest plus for me, appearing practical in design, even if they were a little clunky. Alpha was also a functional, if flawed design. Many of the stories were at least interesting, although there was an air of excessive tolerance when dealing with encounters (seems the scripts generally went out of their way to portray humans as warmongering savages, to varying degrees). The whole idea of the moon traipsing gaily through space, being able to find a system about every 1.4 episodes with some form of life, really irritated me, because it implied a "Supreme Cosmic Intelligence" guiding the moon like a piece on a gameboard (that's not a bad idea, but they could at least have done more with it, like maybe introduce a game between Odin and Loki). Uniforms were a problem for me. While I emphathise with the idea of keeping the crew fashionable, the only justification for the uniform they had was that it required a really simple patter. The amount room each person had left me with the impression that these people were not rotated crew, but colonists. Anyways, having had my say and made my complaints, I wish you all a good day. Joe Chiasson P.S. I did enjoy the series, even if I do pick on it. :)
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 03:33:34 -0700 From: William Lloyd Siebart (firstname.lastname@example.org) Subject: Re: Purple hair in UFO I seem to recall an episode of UFO in which, after an accident resulting in the loss of an interceptor, a female leutenant was recalled to Earth for an inquiry. She was shown to have purple hair on the moon, a "normal" color/style on Earth, and purple hair upon her return to the moon. So, why the wigs? my $.02, Bill
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 04:52:57 -0700 From: email@example.com (mr. wonderful) Subject: Re: Purple hair in UFO The episode was "Close-Up." Why the wigs? Only Sylvia knows for sure.... -- Jon "Mr. Wonderful" Stadter
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 08:20:20 -0700 From: Nemo66@aol4tag.com Subject: Re: Purple hair in UFO In the late sixties when UFO was produced, wigs were very popular. Sylvia Anderson thought that it would be quite acceptable for people to be wearing wigs in 1980 ( the year the show was set in). All three lead actors, Ed Bishop, George Sewell, and Michael Billington actually also wore wigs during most of the episodes as well. I just think Sylvia thought it would look futuristic. And remember that color TV was new as well. A litttle purple on Moonbase added a lot to the surroundings!! Mike Prendergast
On Thu, 2 May 1996, Ronald Dudley wrote: > Alpha was also supposed to guard Earth against alien attack. > That's why the eagles had lasers and targeting systems. Ronald, That's a good point, and considering our discussion earlier this week regarding UFO, very appropo. Also, regardless of whether 1999 is in the same, exact universe as UFO, it seems clear that they're not too weirded out by alien life existing. Is this the case? I don't remember the specifics regarding Meta, but it seems that Koenig and company were never too awestruck that life DID actually exist elsewhere in the galaxy. Richie
Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 05:53:12 -0700 From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Danny Lee) Subject: The real reason for purple hair in UFO and other thoughts... In the UFO/Space 1999 Offical guide by Chris Drake, the reason for the purple hair is this: The special "UFO detecting" radar gives off headache enducing radiation. The purple hair is supposed to be made from a metal that shields the operators from the radiation. Hence that is why you only see the women wear the purple hair on the moon. As for growing "special" crops in the hydroponics. Well, I'm sure that if some enterprising and/or drug hungry hydroponic tech was growing opium poppies or even coca plants OR a chemical tech who is very good at producing Ecstacy or LSD or Crystal Meth then it might explain the stupidity of some of the members of Alpha. In some ways it wouldn't surprise me if they even had a drug problem. Many of the alphans are doing the same jobs over and over and over again, and if they needed a change of scenery, there really isn't much to see. "Gee, let's go to Clavius again. I need some more moondust for my collection!!" In all situations like that, some workers tend to hit the drugs and booze. I know, I have worked on a construction site, in many ways very similar unless you are management, and seen these things happen. Also I have friends who have worked at mines up in Northern Canada who have told stories about the quantities of drugs consumed up there. I know that the Alphans are screened psychologically, but how about spending several years doing the same things over and over and over again? I don't know about you, but I'd go insane. I'd like to hear what others think about this. (I know about the episode titled: "Seance Spectre") As for the fellow who asked about Canadian episodes of Space 1999, unfortunately we Canadians are inundated by commercials. A typical yankee show has 12 minutes of those blasted time fillers and the same show in canada has 16, yes, 16 minutes. I'm sure we lost more scenes than in the states. Hmm, a new Space series. Never. I seem to get a disasterous concept of Space 1999: The next generation. I still flashback on Galactica 80, the first two and a half seasons of ST:TNG, all of DS9 and Voyager. Without a doubt, with very few exceptions, the remakes/sequels of shows suck even worse than the originals (however, the originals could suck rocks as well). What are we going to have? The son of Koenig and Russell hanging out with the daughter of Maya and Tony? (A Science Fiction Gen X whine show perhaps) Or how about the rest of Alpha? Considering the rate the producers here killing them off, uh, I think we'd have some serious inbreeding going on here. Also, it would seem that they would be fighting over how to use the ONE eagle left in operation. Ugh. For some reason, I see the alphans as Darians... It would seem better to try and get a Space 1999 game of some sort. X-COM or UFO Defence as it was known in Europe was based on the UFO TV series. The programmers have said as much. It was a great game. Being a mild UFO fan, I named all my commandos after UFO characters. The name was changed because a certain person who shall remain nameless sued Microprose UK because it was similar to his show. Considering the recent sale of Thunderbirds props by this person's ex wife and the fact that he could not afford to buy them from her might explain his reasons. If there is an ambitious person willing to make this game, I strongly suggest that they contact this person before doing anything to save on the legal hassle or make it into something similar but different. Anyone have any ideas? The only thing I could think of was a game similar to Star Trek: the 25th anniversary game et al meets Sim City. Between episodes, the player would manage the base's resources to research, etc. This would have an impact on the next episode. I don't know how it would exactly work, but I know it can be done. I don't exactly have the time or the temperment to do it. Hey, I'm an electrical engineer, not a computer programmer. Other ideas that didn't pan out... An eagle flight simulator? Maybe not. I'm sure in this one that you would get points for making the most spectacular crash/explosion. An Alan Carter Fight game a la Mortal Kombat? The only problem is that your goal is to get beaten up not to beat on the other guy. Mentor's mind game... Never mind. Doom type game. You play Balor and earn points on the number of Alphans you can beat on per level. A Dr. Russel medical game. Sort of Operation meets Alien. Let's do surgery on alien beings we know nothing about. Remove the, er, heart and you lose! Dr Bergman's The Incredulous Machine. The one drawback is that it only lasts one level. A war game. Ultra high tech aliens do battle with human upstarts. If you lose, it's just a dream... Like I said, anymore brilliant ideas?
Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 08:00:17 -0700 From: email@example.com (Marc Martin) Subject: Re: The real reason for purple hair in UFO and other thoughts... I'd hardly say that the "UFO & Space:1999 Book" by Boxtree is a reliable source of anything -- there are lots of statements in that book that are downright laughable! The purple wig one is one of those -- there was no special scientific reason for them at all, it was merely Sylvia's idea of having some fun with making the Moonbase gal costumes. All scientific explanations about the purple wigs are simply rationalizations done after the fact. The "headache protection" explanation above is the most popular, as it was used in the UFO novelizations.
Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 11:41:00 -0700 From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Graphic Communications Inc) Subject: Boxtree 1999 Book Hi Everyone, In a couple of recent posts there was mention of something called "The UFO/Space:1999 Official Guide" by Chris Drake (published by Boxtree). I don't believe I'm familiar with this book. Could anyone provide some background info. on it and is it still available anywhere? Also,is anyone familiar with an issue of a local New York Area entertainment guide called 'CUE'? The December 26, 1975 edition carried an article called "Can 1999 Match Trek?" I'm not sure if it was a very lengthy piece but the cover contained a large color illustration (very nice!) of Landau and Bain with their weapons drawn on Shatner and Nimoy. I don't have a copy of this magazine but have seen a small repro of it. Does anyone have this so it can be posted to the list. The illustration alone would be a beautiful piece to add to the cybermuseum. Any New York members know anything about this publication? Thanks. Curt Duckworth email@example.com
Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 13:53:48 -0700 From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Marc Martin) Subject: Re: Boxtree 1999 Book I did a review of the UFO portion of this book for a UFO fan club some years ago. The text of this review is at: http://www.cnw.com/~mmartin/ufo/text/ufoAnd1999Book.txt I'm not sure where you can get one these days, although I don't imagine it's too hard to find...
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 06:38:16 -0700 From: James Laursen (74344.475@CompuServe4tag.COM) Subject: RE: Boxtree 1999 Book Curt The ISBN is 1 85283 393 9. I got my copy in Toronto 2 months ago at the "The Worlds Biggest Book Store". There were three copies left. Give them a call and you might get lucky. James
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 06:54:33 -0700 From: Sfcafeguy@aol4tag.com Subject: Re: Boxtree 1999 Book If memory serves we're talking about Chris Drake's UFO and Space: 1999 book here. If that's the case, anyone interested had better get lucky in a hurry. I just checked and was told this book is now out of print. Thanks to James for the ISBN.
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:35:23 -0700 From: PatriEmb@aol4tag.com Subject: Re: Boxtree 1999 Book I was in Toronto last weekend and saw about 3 copies at the World's Biggest Bookstore. Their phone number is: 1-416-977-7009. While I was there, I picked up a Gerry Anderson book: Gerry Anderson's Fab Facts by Simon Archer, filled with little infobits about various Anderson shows. The majority of the content is about the Thunderbirds, but there are some things about 1999, and a couple of pictures.